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#51 of 751 Re: Toykick [toykick] by thegraduate Jan 24, 2006 (6:09 pm)
Replying to: toykick (Jan 24, 2006 5:23 pm) I dont think the Ridgeline fits into any category since it doesnt compare to any truck... The Ridgeline has more human comforts in some ways... like interior space. But when it comes down to doing truck tasks... its over rated. Payload cap. for the ridgeline is under 1200 pounds with passengers. and has a towing capacity of 5k which is less then properly equipped midsized trucks like the Frontier crew cab, Tacomas crew cab, Dodge Dakota v8 and ford v6 ranger... yep thats right RANGER lol... with proper gearing you could tow bigger loads... nissan catched onto this What Nissan has catched on to is what brought their fuel economy down to 15/20. Honda may have already caught on to this fact, but would it really garner many more buyers with a lower gear ratio? Perhaps it would drive more away with the lower mileage? Noone will really know. On the subject of its 5,000 tow rating... GM, who has made compact trucks like its S-10 for a LONG time opted to take measures actually REDUCING its tow rating from 5,900 pounds in the S-10 to 4,000 pounds in the Colorado/Canyon. Apparently GM feels that buyers looking to tow heavy objects will likely step up to bigger trucks with V-8s more aptly suited to pulling heavy things and not go with a "weenie midsizer".
#52 of 751 Re: Toykick [toykick] by varmint Jan 25, 2006 (10:50 am)
Replying to: toykick (Jan 24, 2006 5:23 pm) "honda did build a large displacement engine... and its in the ridgeline... i wouldnt call it an advancement in technology since The big 3 have v8 engines which are more fuel efficient then the ridgeline and have more power to boot not to mention they're probably cheaper also.." LOL. I wouldn't call it "advanced technology" either. Not since it's been in mass production since the early 1990s. And the only way your V8 is more fuel efficient than the Ridgeline is if you install it in a 2WD truck or drive downhill with the wind at your back. "But when it comes down to doing truck tasks... its over rated. Payload cap. for the ridgeline is under 1200 pounds with passengers. and has a towing capacity of 5k which is less then properly equipped midsized trucks like the Frontier crew cab, Tacomas crew cab, Dodge Dakota v8 and ford v6 ranger" Well, let's look at some numbers... Ridgeline: Payload 1,549 (RT) Payload 1,558(RTS) Payload 1,554(RTL) Towing 5,000 4X4 Frontier CC: Payload 1,381 (SE) Payload 1,365 (LE) Payload 1,098 (NISMO) Towing 6,100 4X4 Tacoma CC: Payload 1,370 (short bed) Payload 1,315 (long bed) Towing 6,500 4X4 Dakota CC (w/ opt. equipment to boost capacities): Payload 1,550 (SLT) Payload 1,560 (ST) Payload 1,530 (Laramie) Towing 6,750 4X4 Colorado CC: Payload 1,338 (base trim) Towing 4,000 Ford does not offer a Ranger in 4X4 crew cab configuration. The closest thing they have is the Sport Trac: Payload 1,480 Towing 5,080 Now, before you go and say that Honda has to reduce their figures when you add passengers, optional equipment, or cargo... This is the payload disclaimer from Toyota. "Includes the weight of occupants, optional equipment and cargo; limited by weight distribution." This is how Ford puts it. "Make sure vehicle payload (reduced by option weight) will accomondate trailer tongue load weight and weight of passengers and cargo added to towing vehicle." Chevy... "Maximum payload capacity includes weight of driver, passengers, optional equipment, and cargo... Maximum trailer weight ratings are calculated assuming a base vehicle, except for any option(s) necessary to achieve the rating, plus driver. The weight of other optional equipment, passengers and cargo will reduce the maximum trailer weight your vehicle can tow." This is the disclaimer used by Honda. "Industry practice is to boast a high maximum tow rating, even though some sacrifice of passengers and cargo may be necessary to suitably accommodate such a trailer load - in some cases limiting the vehicle to one passenger to accommodate the maximum specified towing capacity. The Ridgeline's 5,000-pound rating is calculated to include up to two passengers and 200 pounds of cargo." Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jan 25, 2006 11:15 am) toykick (Jan 25, 2006 4:13 pm) grove4 (Jan 25, 2006 4:33 pm) toykick (Jan 25, 2006 5:01 pm) and 2 more... thegraduate (Jan 25, 2006 6:48 pm) toykick (Jan 26, 2006 12:03 am) and 61 more...
#53 of 751 Re: Toykick [varmint] by thegraduate Jan 25, 2006 (11:15 am)
Replying to: varmint (Jan 25, 2006 10:50 am) Thanks for the much more thorough post (as compared to mine). You really did some homework, varmint! It looks to me, based on your info, that Honda falls pretty much in the middle of the pack for these numbers.
#54 of 751 Middle of the pack by varmint Jan 25, 2006 (2:26 pm)
The Honda is actually quite good for max payload. The only vehicle with a higher rating (couplah pounds) is the Dakota. But the Dakota I chose is actually the V8, not the V6. As discussed in the other thread, the Ridgeline's payload is actually on par with the full-size 4X4 crew cabs (even with a V8). Compared with the F150, it is slightly lower than the styleside and slightly higher than the flareside. The place where the Ridgeline falls short is towing. No doubt about that. But when you take into account that the others must subtract for gear and passengers, it's not as big a difference as the numbers suggest. Toykick is correct in saying that most vehicles have the potential to haul and tow more than the Ridgeline. But he is only looking at the best possible ratings. If he were to read the fine print, he'd learn that 4WD and crew cab configurations reduce the capacities of these vehicles. Extras add weight. Weight reduces capability.
#55 of 751 Re: Toykick [varmint] by toykick Jan 25, 2006 (4:13 pm)
Replying to: varmint (Jan 25, 2006 10:50 am) I didnt say Crew cab Ranger... i said Ranger.. A access cab 4.0 v6 ranger with 4.10 gearing installed by ford is rated at 6100 pounds.. do some more research... The ridgelines payload capacity is 1100 with 5 adults... as for who has more payload etc... unlike struts tacoma owners could upgrade their leafs and have another 2-300 pounds of payload cap... as for which V8 truck wastes less gas then the ridgeline... The vvti v8 tundra... 18/22 for Access cab 16/21 for Double Cab tundra go to a dealership.. True mpg mileage isnt posted on toyotas website... Chevys Ext.cab silverado 5.3 4x2 310hp 335ftlb of torque gets 16/21 mpg... owners average 18-19 mixed.. lol do some more research GUY! Replies to this message: grove4 (Jan 25, 2006 4:33 pm) toykick (Jan 25, 2006 5:01 pm) grove4 (Jan 25, 2006 5:17 pm) and 1 more... thegraduate (Jan 25, 2006 6:48 pm) toykick (Jan 26, 2006 12:03 am) grove4 (Jan 26, 2006 4:21 am) and 59 more... thegraduate (Jan 27, 2006 6:15 am)
#56 of 751 Tow rating by grove4 Jan 25, 2006 (4:23 pm)
Varmint good job.Nothing but the facts.Truth is if you look at what motor trend did while drag racing the trucks for toty,the RL was in the middle of the pack with V-8"s.Thats with 5k in each bed if I"m correct.Not to bad for a wee 6.
#57 of 751 Re: Toykick [toykick] by grove4 Jan 25, 2006 (4:33 pm)
Replying to: toykick (Jan 25, 2006 4:13 pm) Maybe I"m missing something, but I dont think you could get 5 people in the Ford.So whats the point? Replies to this message: toykick (Jan 25, 2006 5:01 pm) grove4 (Jan 25, 2006 5:17 pm) toykick (Jan 26, 2006 12:00 am)
#58 of 751 Re: Toykick [grove4] by toykick Jan 25, 2006 (5:01 pm)
Replying to: grove4 (Jan 25, 2006 4:33 pm) here something you guys havent pointed out. Gross combined vehicle weight rating: Double cab v6 Tacoma 4x4 : 11,100 Ridgeline :10,085 So The Tacoma can handle more weight per Axle then the Ridgeline... Nissan hasnt posted the frontiers # Replies to this message: grove4 (Jan 25, 2006 5:17 pm) toykick (Jan 26, 2006 12:00 am)
#59 of 751 Re: Toykick [toykick] by grove4 Jan 25, 2006 (5:17 pm)
Replying to: toykick (Jan 25, 2006 5:01 pm) So the Ridgeline is lighter and has a higher payload to boot.I get it.Woo Hoo go Honda.Great job. Replies to this message: toykick (Jan 26, 2006 12:00 am)
#60 of 751 Payload by varmint Jan 25, 2006 (6:09 pm)
Subtract passenger weight from any of the other 4X4 crew cab vehicles and see if it matches the 1,100 lbs payload for the Ridgeline. If your point is that an empty truck is going to have a higher payload than a Ridgeline with five passengers, then... whoopee.