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#21 of 751 Manual Tranny 4x2 by asa Jan 22, 2006 (12:29 am)
I want a 4x2 Crew with a manual tranny and unless I'm mistaken, I think Nissan's Frontier is the only manufacturer that offers this combination. Colorado/Canyon offered it in '04 and '05, but it's been dropped in '06. Tacoma demands a 4x4 to get a stick. Dakota/Raider doesn't offer it I don't think (and these are too long for my garage anyway). Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 8:55 am) asa (Jan 22, 2006 9:54 am) toykick (Jan 22, 2006 11:25 am) and 14 more...
#22 of 751 Re: Manual Tranny 4x2 [asa] by thegraduate Jan 22, 2006 (8:55 am)
Replying to: asa (Jan 22, 2006 12:29 am) I think you are right. I know some Tacomas can be had with a 6-speed manual. Are these just the X-Runner models? Replies to this message: asa (Jan 22, 2006 9:54 am) toykick (Jan 22, 2006 11:25 am) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 11:55 am) and 13 more...
#23 of 751 Re: Manual Tranny 4x2 [thegraduate] by asa Jan 22, 2006 (9:54 am)
Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 8:55 am) You're correct -- 4x2 6-Speed Tacos are not Crew Cabs. Replies to this message: toykick (Jan 22, 2006 11:25 am) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 11:55 am) toykick (Jan 22, 2006 12:23 pm) and 12 more...
#24 of 751 Re: Manual Tranny 4x2 [asa] by toykick Jan 22, 2006 (11:25 am)
Replying to: asa (Jan 22, 2006 9:54 am) for some reason the automatic tacomas are quicker and more fuel efficient then the stick.. access cab 4x2 comes with the 6spd, so does the 4x4 and 4x4 DC tacoma.. and x-runner... as for options... i wonder why nissan doesnt build a frontier that does 0-60 in under 7 seconds and 14 second 1/4miles... and does over .90Gs on lateral skid pad... wait isnt that more then the 350z ? Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 11:55 am) toykick (Jan 22, 2006 12:23 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 12:48 pm) and 11 more...
#25 of 751 Re: Manual Tranny 4x2 [toykick] by thegraduate Jan 22, 2006 (11:55 am)
Replying to: toykick (Jan 22, 2006 11:25 am) i wonder why nissan doesnt build a frontier that does 0-60 in under 7 seconds and 14 second 1/4miles... and does over .90Gs on lateral skid pad... wait isnt that more then the 350z ? That IS more Gs than the 350Z, you are right. My guess would have to be that the market for "high-performance" trucks is a small niche compared to what most buyers want out of a midsizer. $25,000 for a manual transmission, 2-wheel drive truck that drinks premium gas (to get advertised perfromance levels; you can use regular, which will reduce performance marginally). When you can get a Ridgeline RT or Tacoma Double Cab for about the same money. Most people looking for performance will shop Mustangs, and Nissan 350Z. What I'm wondering, is when will Toyota get a "fun" car again, now that they've killed off that last sporty car they had (Celica)? They are letting Nissan (350z) and Honda (S2000) have all the fun! Replies to this message: toykick (Jan 22, 2006 12:23 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 12:48 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 1:20 pm) and 10 more...
#26 of 751 Re: Manual Tranny 4x2 [thegraduate] by toykick Jan 22, 2006 (12:23 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 11:55 am) A X-runner cost 21-23k around here, a 350z cost 28+k, type s RSX cost 25k+ etc... compression ratios: tacoma v6 - 11.0:1 RSX type s - 11.0:1 350z - 10.3 Ridgeline - 10.0:1 frontier - 9.7:1 lol looks like all need premium Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 12:48 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 1:20 pm) toykick (Jan 22, 2006 2:21 pm) and 8 more... rocketman67 (Aug 31, 2006 7:17 am)
#27 of 751 Re: Manual Tranny 4x2 [toykick] by thegraduate Jan 22, 2006 (12:48 pm)
Replying to: toykick (Jan 22, 2006 12:23 pm) compression ratios: tacoma v6 - 11.0:1 RSX type s - 11.0:1 350z - 10.3 Ridgeline - 10.0:1 frontier - 9.7:1 lol looks like all need premium The Ridgeline makes all 247 horsepower on regular. I'm not sure why you think it needs premium. Toyota specifically reccomends premium for "optimum performance". Honda reccommends "regular unleaded". For 22 cents more per gallon, the Honda makes 8 more horsepower with smaller displacement. The RSX...why is it here? It also runs on premium, but delivers good economy to offset to price difference. The Frontier beats 'em all with the most power on regular gas, but gets 1-2 mpg less than Honda/Toyota. So, the irrelevant cars drink premium (350Z, RSX-S), as does the Toyota V-6. The other four trucks here all get the full power out of good 'ole regular unleaded. This is all info per Nissan's compare feature: Ridgeline - Regular (247hp/252lb-ft) Tacoma - Premium (236hp/266lb-ft) Frontier - Regular (265hp/284lb-ft) Dodge - Regular (230hp/290lb-ft) (250hp/310lb-ft for H.O. version) GM - Regular (220hp/225lb-ft) *Honda and Toyota have already adjusted their hp ratings for the new SAE test procedures. The others may not have been tested under the new restrictions, which tend to reduce output numbers. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 1:20 pm) toykick (Jan 22, 2006 2:21 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 2:32 pm) and 7 more... rocketman67 (Aug 31, 2006 7:17 am)
#28 of 751 Minor Correction [thegraduate] by thegraduate Jan 22, 2006 (1:20 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 12:48 pm) The Honda makes 11 more horsepower, not 8, as I said incorrectly. Replies to this message: toykick (Jan 22, 2006 2:21 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 2:32 pm) toykick (Jan 22, 2006 2:48 pm) and 6 more... rocketman67 (Aug 31, 2006 7:17 am)
#29 of 751 Re: Minor Correction [thegraduate] by toykick Jan 22, 2006 (2:21 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 1:20 pm) lol i like how you added a few numbers to the ridgelines torque... Hondas website has it at 245... typical for honda engines... more hp then torque... Thats why VTEC doesnt belong in a truck... Trucks need torque, and also need to peak low to haul crap around easily... Hondas Ridgeline isnt like a hemi or others which peak 90% of it torque under 2k rpm... The Ridgelines Vtec needs to rev a lot more to get a comparable load moving... several tests have been done, towing a comparable weight of 5k and the ridgeline takes 6+ seconds more to reach 60 then the tacoma... Frontier is almost 5 seconds slower... AWD doesnt really help it... i'm not saying people should go race their mid-size trucks with a 5k trailer behind them but i can assure you a Tacoma is going to pull any comparable weight up a hill better then a frontier or ridgeline... Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2006 2:32 pm) toykick (Jan 22, 2006 2:48 pm) thegraduate (Jan 23, 2006 12:39 pm) and 5 more...
#30 of 751 Re: Minor Correction [toykick] by thegraduate Jan 22, 2006 (2:32 pm)
Replying to: toykick (Jan 22, 2006 2:21 pm) I assure you that without VTEC, both figures would be much lower than they are now. As far as the incorrect figures, I knew that the Ridgeline's horsepower had dropped to 247 from 255. I didn't know the torque figures currently. Nissan's site is outdated, b/c it showed the RL with 255/252. Sorry for this misquote. thats why i pointed out where i got my figures. My Accord actually has more torque than horsepower, so, I'm not sure where you get that idea. Honda could do like GM and make BOTH numbers low, if you prefer. You are right, the Ridgeline isn't like the Hemi. If it claims to match its abilities with an engine 1.5 times it's size in an oviously different market, I'll be the first to refute it. Replies to this message: toykick (Jan 22, 2006 2:48 pm) thegraduate (Jan 23, 2006 12:39 pm) toykick (Jan 23, 2006 1:03 pm) and 4 more...