What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

9847 messages,  Last post on Jun 15, 2013 at 5:51 AM

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What is this discussion about? Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper

#9782 of 9847 Re: new Fit [alltorque] by ateixeira

Oct 25, 2012 (11:52 am)

Replying to: alltorque (Oct 23, 2012 1:55 pm)
Mom's previous one was also a 1.3l. I think her latest one is a 1.5l.
 
Her sons helped her pay for them.

#9783 of 9847 Microcar Comparison by Stever@Edmunds HOST

Jan 11, 2013 (2:10 pm)


 
Finding the Best Teeny Car

#9784 of 9847 Re: Microcar Comparison [steve_] by ateixeira

Jan 11, 2013 (2:30 pm)

Replying to: Stever@Edmunds (Jan 11, 2013 2:10 pm)
I'd like to see a Spark SS, even with just a slight bump in output.
 
I'd pick 500, Spark, iQ, and walking, in that order.

#9785 of 9847 still waiting by nippononly

Jan 12, 2013 (10:46 am)

for them to offer a manual in the iQ, would make it my choice. I think I will be waiting a long long time though (read: never).
 
Almost bought a 500, but hated the fact that the only way that car is acceptable to drive is if you press the "Sport" button every time you drive it - you can't program it to default to Sport. It truly is a stylish little bugger. I bet the Abarth is a hoot, but then you are spending enough money where a Cooper S begins to be in reach, and I would go with the Mini.

#9786 of 9847 Re: still waiting [nippononly] by ateixeira

Jan 12, 2013 (3:20 pm)

Replying to: nippononly (Jan 12, 2013 10:46 am)
Is it me or does the 500 feel a little tinny? Base models are cheap, but Abarths can get up there.

#9787 of 9847 Re: still waiting [ateixeira] by nippononly

Jan 13, 2013 (1:28 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 12, 2013 3:20 pm)
I only drove a Sport, but it didn't feel particularly tinny. I imagine all the really little cars feel a bit unsubstantial if you are used to bigger cars, but the super low weight also makes them a lot more fun to drive.

#9788 of 9847 Re: still waiting [nippononly] by ateixeira

Jan 13, 2013 (9:04 am)

Replying to: nippononly (Jan 13, 2013 1:28 am)
For mid teens price, no complaints. Once you hit $20k I'd be looking at more substantial cars.

#9789 of 9847 Re: still waiting [ateixeira] by nippononly

Jan 13, 2013 (10:47 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 13, 2013 9:04 am)
Well the Sport only runs about $18K and change...
 
As for me, I am all about lightweight transpo - my Yaris weighs 2300 pounds. If they stuffed a 1.8 turbo under the hood with 180 hp or so, and held the weight to 2500 pounds or less, I would be there no matter if the price went into the $20Ks. The thing already drives like a roller skate, it carves corners almost as well as an '02 Celica I had once upon a time....all it lacks is the power to really have fun.
 
I would have two, a lo-po version to get me 40 mpg in my commute like the one I have now, and one more with the turbo for fun on weekends!

#9790 of 9847 Re: still waiting [nippononly] by michaell

Jan 14, 2013 (6:40 am)

Replying to: nippononly (Jan 13, 2013 10:47 pm)
s for me, I am all about lightweight transpo - my Yaris weighs 2300 pounds. If they stuffed a 1.8 turbo under the hood with 180 hp or so, and held the weight to 2500 pounds or less, I would be there no matter if the price went into the $20Ks. The thing already drives like a roller skate, it carves corners almost as well as an '02 Celica I had once upon a time....all it lacks is the power to really have fun.
  
I would have two, a lo-po version to get me 40 mpg in my commute like the one I have now, and one more with the turbo for fun on weekends!

 
Can you say Fiesta ST? 197HP with the 1.6L EcoBoost and I suspect mid-30's on the highway. Haven't seen any official pricing yet, but I would think somewhere in the low 20's to start.

#9791 of 9847 Re: still waiting [michaell] by nippononly

Jan 14, 2013 (11:17 pm)

Replying to: michaell (Jan 14, 2013 6:40 am)
Yes, the Fiesta ST has not gone unnoticed by me, but is it available here? I hadn't heard that...
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