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Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper
#9599 of 9848 Re: Bigger is better? [hpmctorque]
Jan 27, 2012 (10:57 pm)
Toyota is not yet building the Yaris LE (cheaper model with the smaller rims and the softer suspension) so there was no opportunity to compare. However, I have no doubt I would not be interested in the cheaper trims, because I like the look of this one with the alloys and the spoiler, this one has firmer seats with more bolstering, and I won't buy a car without cruise.
One thing they dramatically improved, at least for the SE trim, is the seats - they actually have lumbar support now and hold you in place when cornering. It is a much firmer, more supportive seat in general. I would say the seats are now on par with those in the Fit Sport, and the issues I was critical of when I drove the 2011 Yaris last year are gone.
As far as the Fiesta? I would say the Fiesta wins the battle of the interiors, although the Yaris has a soft-touch dash now on the top trims, which I like. The Fiesta has nicer-looking materials and more style inside.
However, the Fiesta is slow to rev and feels super slow to drive. The ride is comfortable at the expense of handling. The steering is light and non-communicative. All of which will be appreciated by people coming out of bigger cars, but run totally against all my preferences in a car.
They say that the new Fit is coming maybe as soon as the end of this year, and supposedly the Yaris itself will get a new powertrain with a 6-speed manual in a couple of years, so I hope I don't wind up regretting pulling the trigger now, but I do very much like the one I bought, and besides, there's always the option to trade in a few years if they make major improvements to either model by then.
#9600 of 9848 Re: Bigger is better? [nippononly]
Jan 28, 2012 (6:58 am)
Thanks for your comments.
Jan 28, 2012 (11:41 am)
"Fix It Again Tony"
#9602 of 9848 New Fit by years end?
Jan 29, 2012 (7:54 am)
Stuart, can you shed any light on a new gasoline Fit by the end of the year, or were you just speaking about the EV?
#9603 of 9848 Re: New Fit by years end? [maxx4me]
Jan 29, 2012 (9:34 am)
No I am not really following Fit news that closely, but there was a rumor that Honda might do the next model revision of the Fit early, meaning the 2012 MY might be the last before the new model. If so, I would expect to see the new model in the fall this year. But seeing as they did make some improvements to the 2012 for North America, I am thinking that any new model would probably be Japan-only for the first year.
As for the Fit EV, is this looking like a reality for the North American market? I thought we got the Insight instead, which is for all intents and purposes a Fit hybrid? I'm thinking that my next car, before 2020, could be an EV if they could just get the range up.
#9604 of 9848 Re: New Fit by years end? [nippononly]
Jan 29, 2012 (4:52 pm)
Thanks very much for that post. I do hope a new refresh comes out this year since Honda has missed the ball on a few things in the Fit and are getting waaaayyyy behind Hyundai in the head turning quotient. Having been doing some serious car shopping in this car class as of late (Fiesta, Focus, Sonic, Rio 5, Accent, Forte 5, Fit, Juke), I am embarrassed that these car companies do not take 10 seconds to listen to what customers want, and just blast out whatever they want. Here are some simple items that should be in every car. Shame on the car companies for not having them on each car seeing that it is now 2012:
1. 6 speed automatic transmission
2. hands free phone
3. auto headlights and daytime running lights
4. all radio, phone and cruise control buttons on the steering wheel
5. rear seat headrests that lower down into the seat when not in use to increase the visibility to the rear window.
6. a normal sized rear window. Half of the rear windows are so small, they might as well just do away with them altogether.
Honda's Fit is becoming a dinosaur real fast. With such a small engine, their horsepower/torque and gas consumption numbers look pathetic against Hyundai. No center arm rest/console? Are you kidding me? No hands free phone unless you fork over the money for the navigation system. That's a trick car companies used to play over a decade ago. In general, the Fit is an amazing car which just needs some minor tweeking to blow the competition away. Their main selling point is over 8 years of Jazz and Fit models worldwide with hardly one reliabilty issue; now that's amazing.
#9605 of 9848 Re: New Fit by years end? [maxx4me]
Jan 29, 2012 (6:26 pm)
I agree about the trend toward over styled rear ends that impede visibility out the back.
Other than that, just don't complain when the cost goes up on these cars (when they add all the extra features).
and there are some on your list that other people will not have an interest in (or paying for!)
#9606 of 9848 Re: New Fit by years end? [stickguy]
Jan 30, 2012 (12:09 am)
...like me: of those six items there are only 2 I would want - large window glass for good outward visibility and cruise/radio on the steering wheel.
I would pay not to have an automatic and also not to have the price-raising-for-no-good-reason DRLs and auto headlights.
But Fit is behind the competition in the fuel economy and features arena, that's for sure. There's only so far the Magic Seat can take it before it must one-up the competition somehow.
OTOH it is still one of the best drivers in the segment.
#9607 of 9848 Re: New Fit by years end? [maxx4me]
Feb 03, 2012 (1:55 pm)
"I am embarrassed that these car companies do not take 10 seconds to listen to what customers want, and just blast out whatever they want. Here are some simple items that should be in every car."
That's YOU. Not ME. I love to shop cars and have driven every vehicle on your list. Just bought a Fit base with manual trans. Which is what I wanted. It meets your #3, #5 & #6. I believe than manual transmissions are better than automatics in EVERY way. More people should drive them. I believe that EVERY car model should have one available. But that's what I feel.
The Ford Fiasco was very disappointing to me. It is a one-person vehicle. I'm only 5'8", my wife is 4'10" and WE couldn't get into the back seat. Lots of bells and whistles but totally non-ergonomic. You NEED controls on the wheel, because your eyes need to leave the road to do anything.
The other cars were beyond my price point for my use (mainly, my kids' use). Our second choice was the new Hyundai Accent sedan. Lots of value in that car. Looks nice enough for now, but will blend in two years from now. The hatchback is sharp, but the storage space "stats" don't match up to the real-world usability. The 6-speed manual was FAR better than the AT. Plenty of pep. Willing to say it's the best value $15-16K car on the road,
My kids liked the Fit base because it had what they need, no more, no less. Very ergonomic and versatile. You don't need to reach for anything nor take your eyes off the road to change a control. They can schlep their friends or their stuff or both comfortably. We have a another car with Bluetooth and the bells & whistles you mentioned. But we've hooked up the mobile phones to our Fit's USB with no prob. I don't really want them on the phone while driving anyway. I TOTALLY agree that it needs a 6th-gear.
For a car with many selections of trims and plenty of room, the Nissan Versa can be had at many different pricepoints. Unfortunately, a manual trans is only available on their bareboned base. The Versa is a fine functional car, but no "sizzle" at all.
As far as EPA ratings, they are a very loose guideline. Heck, I averaged 44 mpg on a long road trip with 3 soccer players, my 2007 Altima (6-speed man trans, of course) trunk crammed with their gear, suitcases, and a large full icebox. Depends on the driver and the conditions.
I'll allow you your "needs". But I don't want you to be my spokesman to the manufacturers. And I won't be yours.
Feb 04, 2012 (4:42 am)
thank goodness for that.