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Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper
#9248 of 9848 Re: I tell ya... [plekto]
Dec 21, 2010 (7:46 am)
What struck me with driving the Mazda 2 was that it simply needed another 15-20HP.
That's why you get the manual.
Or were you already driving the manual? I didn't find it to be wanting for power, provided you were willing to rev it when you wanted to go fast. These little cars are all that way, designed that way on purpose so that in normal driving you can get really good gas mileage.
Spring 2012. It's Honda finally taking the game seriously
I believe they have just made it official that the next-gen Civic will be available in Spring 2011 as a 2012 model. Perhaps that is the confusion here, that it will be a 2012? It definitely isn't still 15 months away, more like 5.
And yes it will be nice to see Honda take the compact class as seriously as it takes the subcompact class with the Fit, although to be fair the current Civic was at least tied for tops (with the Mazda3) in the compact class when it came out in 2005.
#9249 of 9848 Re: I tell ya... [plekto]
Dec 21, 2010 (7:50 am)
I think I saw 251 ft lbs, (heehee) at 2000 rpm (which is a fair bit higher than TDI's 1650 or whatever it is...typical Honda engine with revs tho) which is about right for a 2.2 turbo'd and intercooled.
The sheepskin is warm, but it doesn't make a seat (bottom especially) bigger or longer in dimension. In fact, their very thickness uses up even more seat real estate. I find that most seat bottoms are shorter in the past decade than they used to be. While car shopping and visiting with other shoppers, a very common complaint from just random shoppers is that the seat bottoms don't support thighs well enough, and the other beef you often hear, is that with manual adjusters, if you adjust height, you also adjust tilt...like it or not, and vice versa. I'm guessing that is why as many people opt for a pwr seat which is often pkg'd with sunroofs and other cr&p.
Let's face it, in a car - behind the wheel, is there even one other single component in the entire car that has more bearing on the driver than the seat?
#9250 of 9848 Re: I tell ya... [nippononly]
Dec 21, 2010 (7:52 am)
The current Civic came out in 2006 and it's getting pretty long in the tooth.
It'll be interesting to see the new model that will compete in a brutal marketplave.
#9251 of 9848 Re: I tell ya... [isellhondas]
Dec 21, 2010 (8:10 am)
I didn't know you had bought a 2nd CRV. Only 500 miles eh? That is one new car. So you are finding it quieter than the 03? I drove the CRV before I bought my 05. That was fall of 08 so i guess it was an 09. Two things I found right away that I ruled the car out. First was the discovery that they dropped the manual, but i was (and still am) open to an auto if it works really well. REALLY well, and I do feel that more speeds helps in that department. But in the demo CRV I drove it had this very peculiar 'shudder' throughout the entire chassis when going over even small bumps. It was so noticeable to me that if you didn't know better, you would swear it had 1/3 the number of spot welds in the chassis that it should have had. To this day I would love to drive another one to see if they all do that. I also was not impressed with the 5 sp auto. It seemed to hold onto gears a bit too long in town, which I felt wasted gas.
And the particular demo I drove had a driveline imbalance that felt like a severely out of balance wheel. I mentioned to them when I got back and got a look (from the saleswoman) like I simply had to have been mistaken. The thing that concerned me in that regard tho, was a year earlier my neice and her husband finally retired their old 5 sp Altima and bought a new 5 sp Accord. Well that car also had a driveline imbalance that had been to three dif dealers and two tire speciality shops all in an effort to find out what the imbalance was. It wasn't until they swapped out all four rims and tires with dif ones that they searched deeper than wheels and tires. That swap still had the imbalance. Apparently it was something in the transmission or somewhere (I never did quite follow where she said they found the problem) but both her and her husband still say it is way better but just not smooth like their 200000 mi Altima was.
After learning about that, and then coincidently a year later I drive that CRV demo (that still had plastic on the seats) with a rather severe imbalance, it sure cinched it for me, that I would never order car. I drive the very car I am going to buy and if it has an ailment like that, there is no way that the dealer will say "oh that's just a wheel out of balance, we can fix that...so do we have a deal?" I'll wait till they find the problem, then we have a deal.
The fact that they were both Hondas I feel is nothing more than a coincidence btw.
#9252 of 9848 Re: I tell ya... [isellhondas]
Dec 21, 2010 (8:20 am)
Early sketches of the new Civic are out, and it looks more aggressive, but mostly evolutionary.
I think the Elantra is going to shake up this segment. 40mpg in any model plus your pick of 6 speeds.
#9254 of 9848 Re: I tell ya... [ateixeira]
Dec 21, 2010 (8:22 am)
You may be right about the Elantra. With each passing year the Korean Stigma may fade away.
Not my cup of tea!
#9255 of 9848 Re: I tell ya... [gimmestdtranny]
Dec 21, 2010 (8:31 am)
Not sure what you mean by "imbalance"?
After riding in and driving literally, thousands of new Hondas I can honestly say I never felt anything like that.
If you drove a new Honda with plastic on the seats, I'm guessing it may not have had it's Pre Delivery Inspection. If that was the case, the tires would have been severly overinflated and it would have bounced like a basketball.
Sometimes I would have customers "hear" or "feel" something that I couldn't detect or that I knew was just normal.
People would take their hands off the steering wheel somethimes and whan the car would slowly drift to the right (normal) they would tell me..IT PULLS TO THE RIGHT!
People would open the hoods on used cars with the engines running and tell me it had a "knock" when there was no abnormal noise.
Sometimes these comments were just fluff reasons to not buy a car or a reason to get the price down.
#9256 of 9848 Re: I tell ya... [nippononly]
Dec 21, 2010 (8:40 am)
Yes, it was with a manual. And 100hp at 2500lbs or so is pokey. 120HP is adequate. Just barely.
And the Civic is a only a few months away. I think the recent 2 star rating on the crash tests finally lit a fire under their posterior. The IIHS made the 2011 tests MUCH harder and more realistic, and a lot of small vehicles with 4 or 5 star ratings simply failed outright. As you'd kind of expect, since the chances of a Yaris getting into an accident with another Yaris is pretty remote. It's why the test should be even harder and against a 3600-3800lb "standard size and weight" vehicle. Or an approximation of one.
But, yeah, if you're not dying for a replacement right now, I'd wait until the Honda comes out before making a decision.
And, yes, the TDI market is huge in the U.S.precisely because there's only VW/Audi (breaks a lot) an Mercedes (costs a lot). What we need is cheap and reliable and doesn't look or handle like a toad. Honda could sell an awful lot of them just because so many people are waiting for a car like this before making the leap to diesel.
I want one. Now.
#9257 of 9848 Re: I tell ya... [isellhondas]
Dec 21, 2010 (8:42 am)
It wasn't subtle. It was as if there was a big clump of mud or ice stuck to the wheel. Surely you have driven a car whose wheels were out of balance? It was like that.
I admit I am sensitive to feel in a vehicle, be it on a bike, a car or even a big truck. Most racers have this ability more than your average driver. I can feel driveline issues going bad before they fail. Like a U joint for example. I don't need it to be clanking around (or even close to that) before realizing there is a major problem going to happen if it is ignored. A U joint starts off sometimes with just a squeak, and will eventually transform to a a bit of wiggle or warple in the driveline...a very very subtle flutter. If you have ever driven a Jeep that someone has raised up and gone a bit too high for U joint angles that don't feel fluid anymore, you would know what i mean. Or not, not everyone feels things till they break.
But your example of the "it pulls to the right' would have bugged me too. You likely got that more since more vehicles became FWD also. Trying to explain torque-steer to someone like that...well.. I think a person would have to learn to tone that out or they would drive you crazy.