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Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper
#9217 of 9848 Re: and the clear winner is [gimmestdtranny]
Dec 20, 2010 (9:18 am)
LOL! Yes, you are right about everything you said (or implied with sarcasm!).
I am still weighing it, but if I decide to go with a Fit, I am going to wait a year to put more cash together for the down payment.
As far as low profile tires, the ones on the Fit are 185/55s, and the ones on the Yaris are 185/60s, so it's not a huge difference even though the Yaris has steel wheels.
Since taking the drive I have discovered that the Fit has a torsion beam rear just like all the other cars here, so the salesman was just talking out of his rear end when he told me it has an independent rear suspension. But it DOES have a rear stabilizer bar, which is fairly unique in this group.
And I am sometimes in this car for a couple of hours or more at a time, so the seat is a significant consideration. I do about 18K miles a year in my Echo currently.
For all the folks questioning the $5000 difference, it basically comes down to end-of-year cash incentives from Toyota and dealers' willingness to discount the 2010s more deeply than they normally would because the calendar is about to turn over.
Normally the difference between the Yaris w/ power package and the Fit Sport is more like $2500, but currently Toyota is running an extra $1500 incentive and the dealer is discounting well below invoice to sell the remaining 2010s.
If I had to pay $14,5 for the Yaris there is no question I would be giving it a miss. And perhaps I will give it a miss anyway, still mulling it over.....
#9218 of 9848 Re: and the clear winner is [nippononly]
Dec 20, 2010 (9:30 am)
When cars are sold cheaply there is always a REASON.
They aren't selling well and there is always a reason for that as well.
#9219 of 9848 Re: and the clear winner is [nippononly]
Dec 20, 2010 (9:35 am)
Torsion beams have advantages, FWIW - look at the cargo area of the Fit and you'll see just how space efficient they are.
#9220 of 9848 Re: and the clear winner is [isellhondas]
Dec 20, 2010 (9:36 am)
To be fair it could just be an older design, or styling, lots of subjective stuff.
However, I happen to hate the center-mounted gauges so I'll blame those, LOL.
#9221 of 9848 Re: and the clear winner is [ateixeira]
Dec 20, 2010 (9:38 am)
Yeah, it looks like a cyclops!
#9222 of 9848 Re: and the clear winner is [isellhondas]
Dec 20, 2010 (10:10 am)
True, but in this case the 'reason' might be public perception of Toyota lately. And of course some of the new competitor's offerings.
I am not afraid of Toyota personally (but have more guarded reservations in the last few years, but not because of their UA news) But as a major purchase, I don't turn a blind-eye to my purchase in terms of potential lost value in my car either. So if you can save upfront to help fend off potential loss later, that makes good economic sense. All this...assuming you like the car and it suits you. Unfortunately tho, Toyota in some ways would seem to have been resting on their laurels the last 2 or 3 years, and have turned out cars with subpar paint jobs and rather plain (read cheaper) interiors also.
I don't worry too much about outside aesthetics of a vehicle. Of course it would be nice if made me feel good walking towards it, but if its look is mediocre and it made me feel good behind the wheel, then that is what I weigh my decision on. Now here is where I might sound like a bit of a hypocrite, but it is only because of having to have AWD. My present CRV gives me AWD and a std tran but it irritates me in so many other ways, I am annoyed with myself that I settled with it. At the time I was racking up a big rental bill for over a month after my prev car was insurance totalled. I say settled, because the seat is too small for my body, the shifter (and even clutch take-up) is not your usual Honda smooth, direct feel that you get in the Accords and Civics and Fits, I hate the swinging rear door, the car is excessively noisy inside (I feel like i need to fill the whole car with cardboard boxes to try to quiet it down) the stereo is mediocre even tho it was optioned up apparently, the windshield defrost doesn't hit low enough on the windshield to keep ice and snow from building up (THAT one is a huge hate) and also it blows no def air at all when you choose floor heat. It doesn't take but slight wisp of warm air to keep the WS clear in cold wx, and after you are warmed up and thawed out and underway, you want the heat on the floor but not have your A/C compressor kick in and cost you FE, so having a hint of warm air on the WS in floor mode is a big oversight. The 08 Civic was the same. These are design flaws that in prev generations of cars, Honda used to be good at and covered those bases. And its brakes in fact aren't very good. (altho to be fair come spring when the wx is better I need to get in to them to see if i have seizing calipers or something altho don't feel drag at the wheels). And I dread doing oil changes cuz of where the filter is buried up in behind the hot exhaust manifold and other bits that try to slice your wrists open, on the back of the motor. I hate that spare tire hanging off the rear door. The entire rear door assembly is just terrible for anyone who lives with ice and snow. No matter how well you try to clear around the seals, when you open it it dumps ice snow and everything right into the car and either a) adds moisture the crappy def has to deal with or b) starts melting all over everything if the car was warm.
Now the car does have strengths tho. It has a very smooth engine which loves to rev and will offer ok FE even doing so. It has not bad headlights for vision on lo beam (not something you can assume lately) and fairly cold A/C, altho the heater is slow and mediocre. It has really good paint. Its ride and handling I would rate just ok to good and it even has IS. And, while I don't really care that about looks or the fact that i drive what many consider to be a 'girls car' haha, this generation of CRV's I think are as handsome (if i were to use the word loosely) as they've ever been.
anyway...i know i got a bit derailed here, nippon...and knew it was happening, lol, but i thought that some of these points people miss when they are car shopping so it might help a little. Of course a lot of my beefs were to do with ice and snow and u are in CA i think.
I know one thing tho. if I do decide to replace my car, I am going to peruse the daylights out of whatever i check out and i will not be in a rush. Sounds like you have time on your side too if u are willing to wait to put more down if you go with the Fit. Good luck with whatever u decide on.
#9223 of 9848 Re: and the clear winner is [gimmestdtranny]
Dec 20, 2010 (11:57 am)
As you may know, we have two CRV's. A 2003 EX with 53,000 miles and a 2011 with 500 miles. Although the 2010 is MUCH improved in every way, the 2003 is a great car. The things that bother you are no bother to me.
The swinging rear door and the rear mounted spare are things that don't bother me at all although I do like the 2011 set up better.
I'm a native So, Californian but have lived in the Seattle area for more than 20 years. Not much snow here or I probably would share your complaints.
It is, indeed a noisy beast. the 2011 is much quieter.
I know a couple of people who have installed a product called Dynamat in theri wheel wells and inside their doors and they say it made a world of difference. Me, I just turn up my radio a bit.
After 53,000 miles NOTHING has gone wrong except normal maintenance. I quit changing my oil years ago becaue of the PITA factor. I know that filter is nasty to get to. Just checked the brakes and the original rears need to be replaced. Fronts are probably good for another 5-8000 miles.
#9224 of 9848 Re: and the clear winner is [isellhondas]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Dec 20, 2010 (12:22 pm)
After 53,000 miles NOTHING has gone wrong except normal maintenance. I quit changing my oil years ago
For a minute there I thought you had gone 50k miles without an oil change. Thought I had made a convert.
I just changed the oil in my Outback out in my unheated garage. It's sunny today and it's up to around 30 outside. It actually wasn't too bad of a chore.
#9225 of 9848 another factor
Dec 20, 2010 (12:23 pm)
if Nippon buys the Yaris, he will become the only man in the USA to actually buy one! Might have to get special permission though from Toyota since I think it is part of the franchise agreement that they only sell them to young women.