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Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper
Oct 11, 2010 (11:35 am)
According to this article, the total labor cost to build an Aveo is less than $500. Despite the cost being low, GM has an agreement with the union to bring in low-cost workers to make the overall labor cost for an Aveo even lower, so they can be built in the U.S beginning next year:
Small cars, smaller wages: A precedent?
Automotive News -- October 11, 2010
DETROIT -- To lure a low-profit small car to the United States, the UAW agreed to staff about 40 percent of a Michigan assembly plant with workers who earn $14 an hour -- half the regular UAW wage.
So is this a practice that will spread to other assembly plants, further lowering wages in the industry but making U.S.-made vehicles more competitive?
........General Motors Co. and the UAW revealed terms of the lower-wage agreement last week for GM's Orion Township (Mich.) Assembly Plant. That's where GM will build the next subcompact Chevrolet Aveo and a new Buick compact called the Verano. The current Aveo is assembled in South Korea.
Cole said small cars' low stickers can't offset the cost of a traditional $28 an hour wage in Detroit 3 U.S. assembly plants. That's why, for example, Ford Motor Co. is building the Ford Fiesta subcompact in Mexico and Chrysler Group plans to build the Fiat 500 subcompact there starting in December.
"I do believe this agreement sets the stage for dealing with small-car plants a little differently," Cole said.
Manufacturing consultant Ron Harbour says the lower-wage workers will generate modest production-cost savings for GM.
His math: The lower-wage workers will account for 40 percent of the work force, or 8 hours of the 20 or so needed to assemble a car at Lake Orion. With lower-wage workers earning $14 less per hour, that's $112 per car. The savings will be slightly higher, because benefits will be lower for some of the lower-wage workers, he says.
.........Bragman, a senior analyst with IHS Automotive, said that was the price of bringing to the United States a small car that normally would have been built in a low-cost country such as Mexico. GM ranks Mexico as low-cost, meaning it pays workers less than $15 an hour in combined wages and benefits.
I wonder if the currency squeeze and the sheer cost of building a subcompact will collide in the next few years with the low sticker price Americans expect subcompacts to have, eventually squeezing them out of the market.
I sure hope not! Toyota reduces importation of the Yaris because the Corolla sells for very little more and is built in North America. Honda does the same with the Fit, because of the Civic. Nissan builds in Mexico, and except for this unusual GM experiment all the "domestics" build their small cars in Mexico or elsewhere. VW keeps saying it can't make the case to bring the Polo here because of cost/price ratio, and they already build the Jetta/Golf in Mexico.
And I find that all of the automakers do a poor job of overseeing quality control on their products built in Mexico, so they are always significantly worse. It is one thing that gives me pause about looking at a Fiesta, actually. The same-platform Mazda2 seems like a better bet, built as it is in Japan. But how long can Mazda afford to do that?
My hope remains that there is a gradual shift away from midsize to compact in the U.S. - they are running neck and neck now - and that subcompacts see a boost from that trend. If they were much higher volume than they are today, I think that automakers would be more willing to sell subs here, because narrower profit margins are OK if the volume is up.
#9027 of 9848 Here's one that is coming to the U.S...
Oct 30, 2010 (1:32 pm)
and being sold as a Dodge. It's called the Alfa Romeo Giulietta. Apparently Alfa Romeo is owned by Fiat and since Dodge is basically owned now by Fiat, too, and the Caliber has been a flop, Dodge needs an influx of small cars to sell in the U.S. And according to autobloggreen.com, this Alfa Romeo is going to be badged and sold in the U.S. as a Dodge. Whoo-hoo! I like it.
And Elko, NV, has a Dodge dealer. So if the 2012 Scion FR-S comes as only a Scion to the U.S., the closest Scion dealer to me is some 192 miles away, but Dale White Motors of Elko, NV, sells both Toyota's and Dodge's. This car is FWD and is great in the snow, which also fits Elko's harsh winters. In fact, the car is great fun in the snow. The Scion FR-S is RWD, not as good in the snow. My '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS is also FWD and should be fine in the snow as well.
I configured one on the main Alfa Romeo website, getting a manual transmission, Bose stereo, foglights, 17" turbine wheels with 225/45 R17 tires, black leather seats, red stitching on the seats and the steering wheel and gear knob, rear spoiler, cruise control, dual zone automatic climate control, power front windows, front armrest with storage compartment, side skirts, sports dials with white illumination, 6 airbags, ABS w/EBD, Alfa code immobilizer and alarm system, Vehicle Dynamic Control (ABS+ASR+Brake Assistant) with hill holder & electronic Q2, aluminum kickplates, sport pedals, dark brushed aluminum trim inserts, darkened headlights and 40 mpg. This is a 5-speed manual transmission and the car's engine is a 120hp 4-cyl. Wow.
It does take a little getting used to that weird grille shape but that's done already. I like it!
Hey, alltorque, tell me this. The main website gave me the price in British pounds, if I recognize the symbol they used. The website address of the Alfa Romeo Giulietta is this, if you want to check it out.
Configuring the Giulietta just the way I've described will run me 21,995 in what I believe is a British pound symbol. What does that translate to in US dollars, might I ask?
#9028 of 9848 Re: Here's one that is coming to the U.S... [iluvmysephia1]
Oct 30, 2010 (12:41 pm)
NO NO NO NO NO !!!!!! Putting a Dodge badge on that is wrong on every conceivable level.
Please tell me it's a joke.
Oct 30, 2010 (1:35 pm)
this is truth, man. Here's where I found it.
http://green.autoblog.com/2010/10/30/report-chrysler-planning-fiat-based-40-mpg-- - - - - - - dodge-caliber-replac/
The Dodge Giulietta will be built at the Belvidere, IL, Chrysler plant.
According to numerous reports, the Alfa Romeo Giulietta will serve as the foundation for a 2011 successor for the aging, lackluster Dodge Caliber. USA Today cites Sergio Marchionne, chief executive officer of Fiat and Chrysler, with throwing out the words that stirred up a slew of reports. The Detroit Free Press adds more fuel to the story by indicating that this new model, based on Fiat's C-EVO platform, will hit 40 miles per gallon and possibly even resemble the Giulietta in its final form.
Jeff Schuster, J.D. Power and Associates' director of global forecasting, points to the possibility that Dodge may not be the only brand to receive this upcoming 40-mpg model. Schuster believes that Chrysler could get a version, and, are you ready for this, the mighty Jeep brand might as well. Suppliers and consultants familiar with the project say that the vehicle will roll off the lines at Chrysler's Belvidere, IL plant late next year. Yesterday, Chrysler formally announced that it will invest $600 million to retool its Belvidere plant. Reports claim that this retooling will ready the site for production of a new generation of Fiat-based, fuel-efficient vehicles.
What does 21,995 in British pounds come out to in USD, alltorque, roughly?
FWI's W, everybody, I have already read up on this before, about a month ago. This is reality, it is going to happen, and the small town in NE Nevada I live in is going to get this car at a local dealer, and I like it. I like it a lot!
#9030 of 9848 Re: alltorque... [iluvmysephia1]
Oct 30, 2010 (1:10 pm)
At today's exchange rate, 21,995 GBP equates to 32,275.58 USD.
However, when comparing prices in the UK and US, they are roughly equal. A car that sells for 25,000 quid in the UK will sell for approximately $25,000 in the US.
Oct 30, 2010 (1:17 pm)
translated, you're saying the Alfa Romeo Giulietta configured as I have configured it will sell for $21,995 in USD. Right? I mean, AFAYK.
#9032 of 9848 Some more pictures of the Guilietta...
Oct 30, 2010 (1:36 pm)
This is really happening, car nuts. This Italian-made sports car is coming to America to be sold as a Dodge! Do your research and check it out. And I think this car would be a better replacement for the 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS for me. I will pursue this car like Brian Bosworth as an Oklahoma Sooner chasing down a running back.
I've decided I like the funky grille design.
A silver Alfa Romeo Giulietta from the back in a city in Europe...duh!
Dig that little scoop spoiler on the back.
#9033 of 9848 Here's an article on the new Alfa Romeo...
Oct 30, 2010 (1:48 pm)
Giulietta I think you'll enjoy.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/road-tests/alfa-romeo-giulietta- - - - - -1953429.html
This new Giulietta comes only as a five-door hatchback, but like other recent Alfas with rear passenger doors, it disguises them by concealing the handles. The handsome 156 was the first Alfa to do this, and the Giulietta also reprises the way that car's waistline ridge fades out and reappears half way along the flank. Apart from this, the horizontal tail lights and the way the front grille "shield" is slightly recessed, the Giulietta, from £21,000, looks like a bigger, more grown-up Alfa Mito.
Right. Is it a proper Alfa? Currently no other car uses the same structure and suspension, which is a good start. The top Quadriofoglio Verde (QV) model uses a unique engine, which generates an impressive 235bhp from its 1.8 litres thanks to turbocharging and very clever valve timing. The two more modest petrol engines are both of 1.4 litres and, again, turbocharged; they are fine examples of today's downsizing trend, with 120bhp or, in the intriguing MultiAir version with electro-hydraulically-operated inlet valves, 170bhp with very low CO2 output. There are 1.6 and 2.0-litre diesels too. The QV is the fastest, obviously, but don't expect the sharp responses of a hot hatchback. It's good, but emotions aren't stirred quite enough. In an Alfa, that matters.
The 120bhp Giulietta goes rather better than you might expect, but the Giulietta that tells us that a modern Alfa can truly be a proper Alfa, is the 170bhp MultiAir. In this car it all comes together: lots of energy from a crisp, sonorous engine right across the rev range, an ability to soak up bumps and humps, and – joy! – it dives keenly into corners, steers with precision and transparency and flicks joyfully from one bend to the next. It's lighter in the nose and on its feet than the QV, and the more entertaining for that.
With fingers lightly crossed, because it was tried on Alfa's test tracks and not British roads, I'd say the Giulietta MultiAir represents a proper return to the form an Alfa should have. To drive, it's the best Alfa in years. Fed up with obvious Germans? Here's the answer.
This isn't your father's Alfa Romeo Giulietta. Mah-vel-ous. I'm all excited. Really.
Experts! Where are they allowing you to get in the back door? It's gone, the handles to the back doors, fully completely. Does the person driving have to flick a switch to let passengers in the back in?
Oct 30, 2010 (2:03 pm)
of the 2012 Doge Giulietta. Or what is on the way to Dodge from Alfa Romeo soon. Sooner than you might think. That is.
Oct 30, 2010 (3:24 pm)
looks like they took a volvo c30, and stuck an Alfa grill and new taillights on it.
gotta be better than a caliber though!