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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8866 messages, Last post on Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 1:03 pm) 
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Replying to: tifighter (Aug 05, 2009 1:19 pm) 
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 12:57 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 05, 2009 5:02 pm) So, for about $1000 more TMV, you can get a Honda Fit. Would that Fit have a sunroof though? Only personal reference point I have is a friend of mine recently picked up a new 2009 Honda Civic EX-L sedan for $20,000, out the door. Well, when you figure that $16,500 Aveo could probably run around $17,500 once you factor in taxes, tags, etc, I'd say the Civic for $2500 more is worth it. Real leather, a bit roomier (even if you lose the versatility of a hatchback), peppier engine, more economical, and most likely a much safer car. And REAL leather, versus a facsimile...albeit a good fascimile! I still have a gut feeling though, that the hypothetical $16.5K TMV Aveo is rolling out the door at somewhat less than that, though.
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 5:30 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 05, 2009 5:32 pm) For some reason though, the $20K that my friend's Civic cost didn't really faze me. I guess because it was just about fully loaded. I think it had everything but Nav. In comparison, my 2000 Intrepid would have been around $21,100 out the door if I hadn't bought that extended warranty that I never had to use. But, it's also 9 model years later, and that Civic has a few things my car doesn't, like leather, sunroof, ABS, alloys, probably a better sound system, fold-down rear seat, and probably a few more airbags. As much as we gripe about the high price of today's cars, I imagine that, once you factor in all the standard features, performance, etc, they're actually a bit of a bargain compared to days gone by. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 1:03 pm) Dude, you're evil for mentioning fitzmall! I just went to their website and found a 2008 Charger 3.5 with something like 19K miles for $13.9K! I was actually a bit tempted, until I read the description, and it said the color was beige. $15,827 for a new Sonata is definitely a lot of car for the money. |
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 5:43 pm) Interesting that highway mpg is near the subcompact Hyundais. Hyundais used to be low on power and weak on efficiency compared to the competition, but lately I've noticed that the newer powertrains improve on output and fuel efficiency rather dramatically. In 2005 a Sonata V6 made a measly 170hp yet only returned 19mpg in the city. Pathetic numbers, really. Today's 4 banger Sonata makes more HP than the old V6 and returns a decent 22/32 (using the new, lower numbers!), and I bet it's quicker than the old V6. Lots of people talk about how the Genesis is impressive but the fact is they have made HUGE improvements in their bread-and-butter cars. |
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 5:43 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 06, 2009 8:10 am) Well they make a color called "Light Sandstone Metallic", which is more of what I'd call "champagne, I guess. It might be that color, which isn't too bad. But yeah, when I think "beige", I usually think of something like this. Not something I want to see in my rearview mirror!
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