Sign In Join 



What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

8694 messages,  Last post on Dec 07, 2009 at 6:51 PM

You are in the Automotive News & Views Forum. Your Hosts are steve_ & claires

What is this discussion about? Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper


Messages Page 849 of 870
1
...
846
847
848
849
850
851
852
...
870
Prev
Next
Last
Go To Msg #
Search This Discussion

#8475 of 8694
Re: One nice thing I'll say... [andre1969] by ateixeira
Aug 05, 2009 (11:48 am)
Reply

Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 11:46 am)

I bet you could get in a Sonata for not much more money than a loaded one.
#8476 of 8694
Re: One nice thing I'll say... [ateixeira] by andre1969
Aug 05, 2009 (11:57 am)
Reply

Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 11:48 am)

Well, just for kicks I spec'ed one out on Edmunds. I picked the top trim level hatchback, threw in an automatic, sunroof, abs, and the leatherette, and got a TMV of around $16,500. Not exactly cheap. But I'm still wondering if they really go out the door for that price? Maybe I'm just suffering from sticker shock because I haven't bought a brand-new car in almost 10 years, but that just sounds like a lot of money for an entry-level subcompact!
#8477 of 8694
Re: One nice thing I'll say... [ateixeira] by bpizzuti
Aug 05, 2009 (11:57 am)
Reply

Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 11:48 am)

For a loaded Aveo? Maybe MSRP not probably not OTD. OTOH, A fully loaded Accent is about the price of an Elantra GLS which isn't too far off of a Sonata GLS after rebates.
 
Accent is pretty roomy inside too, though not as much as a Versa or Cube. Same with Elantra (ESPECIALLY the Touring). it's really impressive how much room Hyundai and Nissan have put into the interiors of these smaller vehicles.
#8478 of 8694
Re: One nice thing I'll say... [andre1969] by ateixeira
Aug 05, 2009 (12:03 pm)
Reply

Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 11:57 am)

I've seen Sonatas below that amount, sure. fitzmall.com has one for $15,827.
 
Let me check their Chevy store, same dealer also sells Aveos...
 
Bummer! None in stock.
 
Still, at anywhere near Sonata money I'd run not walk away from an Aveo.
#8479 of 8694
Re: One nice thing I'll say... [ateixeira] by tifighter
Aug 05, 2009 (12:19 pm)
Reply

Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 12:03 pm)

Especially comparing the EPA highway rating of 34mpg for the Aveo versus the Sonata's 32mpg
#8480 of 8694
Re: One nice thing I'll say... [tifighter] by bpizzuti
Aug 05, 2009 (12:45 pm)
Reply

Replying to: tifighter (Aug 05, 2009 12:19 pm)

Of course, the Accent gets 35 on the highway.
#8481 of 8694
Re: One nice thing I'll say... [andre1969] by steve_ HOST
Aug 05, 2009 (4:02 pm)
Reply

Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 11:57 am)

Fits can easily push right at $18k if you don't shop hard. Of course, I wanted the Sport model, which has an MSRP of $17,820. TMV shaves about $300 off that.
#8482 of 8694
Re: One nice thing I'll say... [steve_] by andre1969
Aug 05, 2009 (4:30 pm)
Reply

Replying to: steve_ (Aug 05, 2009 4:02 pm)

Of course, I wanted the Sport model, which has an MSRP of $17,820. TMV shaves about $300 off that.
 
So, for about $1000 more TMV, you can get a Honda Fit. Would that Fit have a sunroof though?
 
Only personal reference point I have is a friend of mine recently picked up a new 2009 Honda Civic EX-L sedan for $20,000, out the door. Well, when you figure that $16,500 Aveo could probably run around $17,500 once you factor in taxes, tags, etc, I'd say the Civic for $2500 more is worth it. Real leather, a bit roomier (even if you lose the versatility of a hatchback), peppier engine, more economical, and most likely a much safer car. And REAL leather, versus a facsimile...albeit a good fascimile!
 
I still have a gut feeling though, that the hypothetical $16.5K TMV Aveo is rolling out the door at somewhat less than that, though.
#8483 of 8694
Re: One nice thing I'll say... [andre1969] by steve_ HOST
Aug 05, 2009 (4:32 pm)
Reply

Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 4:30 pm)

Hard to believe that a subcompact can command that kind of money, even in $4 a gallon gas days eh?
#8484 of 8694
Re: One nice thing I'll say... [steve_] by andre1969
Aug 05, 2009 (4:40 pm)
Reply

Replying to: steve_ (Aug 05, 2009 4:32 pm)

Yeah, tell me about it. One figure that always sticks in my mind, for some reason, is the $16,200 out the door that my grandparent's '85 LeSabre Limited ended up costing. To think that nowadays, some subcompacts can easily top that! Of course, that $16.2K LeSabre was almost 25 years ago, and adjusted for inflation would probably be close to double that today.
 
For some reason though, the $20K that my friend's Civic cost didn't really faze me. I guess because it was just about fully loaded. I think it had everything but Nav. In comparison, my 2000 Intrepid would have been around $21,100 out the door if I hadn't bought that extended warranty that I never had to use. But, it's also 9 model years later, and that Civic has a few things my car doesn't, like leather, sunroof, ABS, alloys, probably a better sound system, fold-down rear seat, and probably a few more airbags.
 
As much as we gripe about the high price of today's cars, I imagine that, once you factor in all the standard features, performance, etc, they're actually a bit of a bargain compared to days gone by.

Messages Page 849 of 870
1
...
846
847
848
849
850
851
852
...
870
Prev
Next
Last
Go To Msg #
Search This Discussion
To POST a message, please Sign In.

New? Join Now!

Forum Tools

Please sign in.
Email Address:

Password:

Forgot Password?

Search Forums

Enter Keyword(s)

Advanced Search

Browse by Vehicle



View All Vehicles
Advertisement
Ask the Community
See What People Are Asking

Browse by Board

Browse by Topic


View All Topics

Today's Chats

Advertisement