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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

8698 messages,  Last post on Dec 08, 2009 at 11:02 AM

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One nice thing I'll say... by andre1969
Aug 05, 2009 (11:46 am)
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for the Aveo, is that if you blow the extra $395 or whatever for the leatherette, it actually dresses the car up pretty nicely. FWIW, I don't think the Aveo is a horrible little car...it's just that in this class, there's so much better out there, for not much more money.
 
I wonder though, what the average transaction price is for an Aveo? Even if the MSRP doesn't seem like much of a bargain, I wonder if out-the-door, the typical Aveo might cost a lot less than an equivalent Yaris, Accent, Versa, etc?
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Re: One nice thing I'll say... [andre1969] by ateixeira
Aug 05, 2009 (11:48 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 11:46 am)

I bet you could get in a Sonata for not much more money than a loaded one.
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Re: One nice thing I'll say... [ateixeira] by andre1969
Aug 05, 2009 (11:57 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 11:48 am)

Well, just for kicks I spec'ed one out on Edmunds. I picked the top trim level hatchback, threw in an automatic, sunroof, abs, and the leatherette, and got a TMV of around $16,500. Not exactly cheap. But I'm still wondering if they really go out the door for that price? Maybe I'm just suffering from sticker shock because I haven't bought a brand-new car in almost 10 years, but that just sounds like a lot of money for an entry-level subcompact!
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Re: One nice thing I'll say... [ateixeira] by bpizzuti
Aug 05, 2009 (11:57 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 11:48 am)

For a loaded Aveo? Maybe MSRP not probably not OTD. OTOH, A fully loaded Accent is about the price of an Elantra GLS which isn't too far off of a Sonata GLS after rebates.
 
Accent is pretty roomy inside too, though not as much as a Versa or Cube. Same with Elantra (ESPECIALLY the Touring). it's really impressive how much room Hyundai and Nissan have put into the interiors of these smaller vehicles.
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Re: One nice thing I'll say... [andre1969] by ateixeira
Aug 05, 2009 (12:03 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 11:57 am)

I've seen Sonatas below that amount, sure. fitzmall.com has one for $15,827.
 
Let me check their Chevy store, same dealer also sells Aveos...
 
Bummer! None in stock.
 
Still, at anywhere near Sonata money I'd run not walk away from an Aveo.
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Re: One nice thing I'll say... [ateixeira] by tifighter
Aug 05, 2009 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 12:03 pm)

Especially comparing the EPA highway rating of 34mpg for the Aveo versus the Sonata's 32mpg
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Re: One nice thing I'll say... [tifighter] by bpizzuti
Aug 05, 2009 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: tifighter (Aug 05, 2009 12:19 pm)

Of course, the Accent gets 35 on the highway.
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Re: One nice thing I'll say... [andre1969] by steve_ HOST
Aug 05, 2009 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 11:57 am)

Fits can easily push right at $18k if you don't shop hard. Of course, I wanted the Sport model, which has an MSRP of $17,820. TMV shaves about $300 off that.
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Re: One nice thing I'll say... [steve_] by andre1969
Aug 05, 2009 (4:30 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 05, 2009 4:02 pm)

Of course, I wanted the Sport model, which has an MSRP of $17,820. TMV shaves about $300 off that.
 
So, for about $1000 more TMV, you can get a Honda Fit. Would that Fit have a sunroof though?
 
Only personal reference point I have is a friend of mine recently picked up a new 2009 Honda Civic EX-L sedan for $20,000, out the door. Well, when you figure that $16,500 Aveo could probably run around $17,500 once you factor in taxes, tags, etc, I'd say the Civic for $2500 more is worth it. Real leather, a bit roomier (even if you lose the versatility of a hatchback), peppier engine, more economical, and most likely a much safer car. And REAL leather, versus a facsimile...albeit a good fascimile!
 
I still have a gut feeling though, that the hypothetical $16.5K TMV Aveo is rolling out the door at somewhat less than that, though.
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Re: One nice thing I'll say... [andre1969] by steve_ HOST
Aug 05, 2009 (4:32 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Aug 05, 2009 4:30 pm)

Hard to believe that a subcompact can command that kind of money, even in $4 a gallon gas days eh?

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