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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [tifighter]
by bpizzuti
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Aug 05, 2009 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: tifighter (Aug 05, 2009 6:57 am)
Consumer Reports thinks the Aveo is better than the Yaris. For that to happen, the Yaris has to be a real dog. 
Mind you i don't like the Aveo either...I think the Accent and Versa are the pinnacle of subcompact-ness.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [bpizzuti]
by ateixeira
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Aug 05, 2009 (8:35 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 05, 2009 2:27 am)
Besides, NO ONE takes GM and the Aveo/Cobalt seriously
I'm not fan of the Aveo, but that's pretty brutal.
Isn't the Aveo the best seller in the subcompact segment?
Sales aren't everything, but surely they mean something.
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- #8466 of 8691
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [ateixeira]
by bpizzuti
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Aug 05, 2009 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 8:35 am)
Depends on how much they're selling them for and if they're making a profit, or just taking whatever they can get just to get them off of the lot. GM has a habit of doing that too.
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- #8467 of 8691
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [bpizzuti]
by ateixeira
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Aug 05, 2009 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 05, 2009 9:09 am)
That kind of volume brings economies of scale.
Plus they're built in Korea for probably not a whole lot of $$$.
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- #8468 of 8691
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [ateixeira]
by tifighter
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Aug 05, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 9:12 am)
You guys see the Top Gear segment a few weeks ago where they drive the Daewoo branded version of the Aveo? Not pretty...
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [ateixeira]
by bpizzuti
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Aug 05, 2009 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 9:12 am)
Economies of scale still don't help if you're not selling them for enough. GM has never EVER made money off of anything smaller than a midsize. EVER. Sales or not.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [bpizzuti]
by ateixeira
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Aug 05, 2009 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 05, 2009 10:01 am)
But that gets a bunch of people in the Chevy store, not just to buy, but every 3 months for oil changes, etc.
That can help them sell a Malibu or Tahoe later. It's hard to quantify but there is a value for that.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [ateixeira]
by bpizzuti
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Aug 05, 2009 (10:47 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 10:30 am)
Very hard. Admittedly that makes money for the dealer, which isn't bad. But what if they come back and buy another sub or compact? What if they move up from a sub to a compact? GM still isn't making money. By the time they're ready for a Malibu or Tahoe (or more likely Traverse) they might be looking at a Fusion or Sonata instead. That's why it's so hard to quantify...it's questionable if it even exists.
Besides, wouldn't it be better to make money on Aveo and Cobalt AND make money when they move up to Malibu? If they don't, at least they already made something, right? But right now they aren't.
There's a reason they just went through bankruptcy you know. 
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [bpizzuti]
by ateixeira
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Aug 05, 2009 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 05, 2009 10:47 am)
That's what Honda is doing with the Fit.
The real problem is GM just acquired Daewoo and is selling a re-treaded, dated Daewoo design as a Chevy. They were too focused on cost.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [ateixeira]
by tifighter
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Aug 05, 2009 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 05, 2009 11:34 am)
Funny enough, once you adjust for content, the Aveo really isn't that cheap relative to the competition. And the mileage is a disappointment. If you are going to bargain basement, I have no idea why someone would choose an Aveo over an Accent...
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