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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

8696 messages,  Last post on Dec 08, 2009 at 8:52 AM

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What is this discussion about? Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper


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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [tifighter] by plekto
Aug 04, 2009 (8:41 pm)
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Replying to: tifighter (Aug 04, 2009 9:57 am)

A turd with traction control is still a turd.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [plekto] by nippononly
Aug 04, 2009 (10:12 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Aug 04, 2009 8:41 pm)

That's a 40 mpg turd, for roughly 60% of the price of Honda's 40 mpg (Insight) turd. Not a bad thing, gas has just gone back above $3/gallon again in my area......
 
I would still love to see Honda take the competition more seriously with the Fit.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [nippononly] by bpizzuti
Aug 05, 2009 (2:27 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 04, 2009 10:12 pm)

Honda doesn't take anyone seriously. That's why they charge so much for their cars.
 
So far, they can get away with it because most of the competition don't take themselves seriously. Toyota doesn't help by overpricing their cars either, but people are willing to pay it, it seems, even for the Yaris and Fit.
 
Besides, NO ONE takes GM and the Aveo/Cobalt seriously...I don't even think GM does yet. They've always had trouble taking that segment seriously, and while the Cruze might have fixed that a bit, it's been postponed indefinitely. While Focus, Elantra and Sentra (not even mentioning Civic and Corolla) walk all over the Cobalt. Aveo actually does a bit better competition wise than Cobalt (Doesn't stand up too bad with Accent and Versa, and tends to rate better than Yaris) does but it's still not there yet, and Fiesta is going to rip it to shreds next year.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [bpizzuti] by steve_ HOST
Aug 05, 2009 (5:44 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 05, 2009 2:27 am)

So far, they can get away with it
 
Sales could be rosier for Honda though.
 
"Although almost all of American Honda Motor Co. Inc.'s models made buyers eligible for cash-for-clunkers rebates, Honda still couldn't pull out of its recent sales doldrums, recording July sales down 17.3 percent compared with last year."
 
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [steve_] by bpizzuti
Aug 05, 2009 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 05, 2009 5:44 am)

That is a bit surprising but only a bit: they weren't plastering themselves all over the airwaves like some others (Toyota, Hyundai, Dodge, Ford...etc). I think that particular corporate attitude and their relatively high pricing came back to bite them this time.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [bpizzuti] by steve_ HOST
Aug 05, 2009 (6:14 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 05, 2009 6:01 am)

I think Honda also dropped most incentives last month (or even in June) since they didn't have much inventory in the pipeline anyway.
 
Some of y'all may want to drop in on this Edmunds Answers question from someone comparing the Suzuki SX4, Nissan Cube, VW Rabbit and Toyota Yaris.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [steve_] by bpizzuti
Aug 05, 2009 (6:50 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Aug 05, 2009 6:14 am)

The Cube isn't a subcompact. Come to think of it, neither is the Versa. Too much room inside those things, heh. I was "this" close to getting one of those but I ended up liking the Elantra Touring too much.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [bpizzuti] by tifighter
Aug 05, 2009 (6:57 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 05, 2009 2:27 am)

Interesting, although I don't think the Aveo has EVER rated better than the Yaris at much of anything.
 
And no, I am not a Yaris fanboy.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [tifighter] by bpizzuti
Aug 05, 2009 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: tifighter (Aug 05, 2009 6:57 am)

Consumer Reports thinks the Aveo is better than the Yaris. For that to happen, the Yaris has to be a real dog.
 
Mind you i don't like the Aveo either...I think the Accent and Versa are the pinnacle of subcompact-ness.
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Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [bpizzuti] by ateixeira
Aug 05, 2009 (8:35 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 05, 2009 2:27 am)

Besides, NO ONE takes GM and the Aveo/Cobalt seriously
 
I'm not fan of the Aveo, but that's pretty brutal.
 
Isn't the Aveo the best seller in the subcompact segment?
 
Sales aren't everything, but surely they mean something.

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