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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

9838 messages,  Last post on Feb 07, 2013 at 10:28 PM

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What is this discussion about? Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper

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#8451 of 9838 Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [aladdinsane] by nippononly

Jul 28, 2009 (7:08 am)

Replying to: aladdinsane (Jul 28, 2009 4:34 am)
Toyota hasn't been a big believer in lots of standard safety equipment until very recently. So it wasn't a big surprise that the first Yarises in '06 had none at all.
 
Standard ESC is going to be mandated in a very short time (2 years) anyway, so Toyota loses little by making it standard earlier, and gains the nice PR of it.
 
For '09 the Yaris got standard ABS and 6 airbags, so with the standard ESC for '10 it will be properly equipped for all the safety shoppers. Problem is it is still built in Japan and with the exchange rate at 95 yen to the dollar, we probably won't see too many in the States.
 
It would be nice to see Honda offer a proper subcompact again - the Fit is on the large side for that segment. I hope the CRZ is still in the works. And bring on the Polo, Fiesta, and Fiat 500!

#8452 of 9838 Re: Euro Crash Test Dummies [andre1969] by ateixeira

Jul 29, 2009 (8:34 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 28, 2009 6:27 am)
Perhaps, but remember at $2500 the Nano's competition is a nice pair of New Balance running shoes.
 
Of course the sneakers would go right under the Suburban and escape unscathed.
 
We should at least stick to the same price class, and look at how it fares compared to an Aveo or Versa, the two closest priced cars it would compete with.

#8453 of 9838 Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [aladdinsane] by tifighter

Aug 04, 2009 (10:57 am)

Replying to: aladdinsane (Jul 28, 2009 4:34 am)
Not only reported by motor trend. Click here

#8454 of 9838 Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [tifighter] by nippononly

Aug 04, 2009 (4:05 pm)

Replying to: tifighter (Aug 04, 2009 10:57 am)
Last I looked, the exchange rate was at 95 yen to the dollar. With the dollar so weak (and Yaris production located in Japan), I wonder how many 2010 Yarises Toyota will import this year?

#8455 of 9838 Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [nippononly] by tifighter

Aug 04, 2009 (4:32 pm)

Replying to: nippononly (Aug 04, 2009 4:05 pm)
The Yaris is a world car; the US market just doesn't buy enough of these to justify US production, yet buys enough to annoy rival Honda. So Japan production it is. Interesting quote from a Car and Driver test (Click here) says "the [Yaris] has been at or near the top of the segment in sales since its debut."
 
Hmm...maybe Toyota can take over that Goldwing production line Honda just closed down

#8456 of 9838 Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [tifighter] by plekto

Aug 04, 2009 (9:41 pm)

Replying to: tifighter (Aug 04, 2009 10:57 am)
A turd with traction control is still a turd.

#8457 of 9838 Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [plekto] by nippononly

Aug 04, 2009 (11:12 pm)

Replying to: plekto (Aug 04, 2009 9:41 pm)
That's a 40 mpg turd, for roughly 60% of the price of Honda's 40 mpg (Insight) turd. Not a bad thing, gas has just gone back above $3/gallon again in my area......
 
I would still love to see Honda take the competition more seriously with the Fit.

#8458 of 9838 Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [nippononly] by bpizzuti

Aug 05, 2009 (3:27 am)

Replying to: nippononly (Aug 04, 2009 11:12 pm)
Honda doesn't take anyone seriously. That's why they charge so much for their cars.
 
So far, they can get away with it because most of the competition don't take themselves seriously. Toyota doesn't help by overpricing their cars either, but people are willing to pay it, it seems, even for the Yaris and Fit.
 
Besides, NO ONE takes GM and the Aveo/Cobalt seriously...I don't even think GM does yet. They've always had trouble taking that segment seriously, and while the Cruze might have fixed that a bit, it's been postponed indefinitely. While Focus, Elantra and Sentra (not even mentioning Civic and Corolla) walk all over the Cobalt. Aveo actually does a bit better competition wise than Cobalt (Doesn't stand up too bad with Accent and Versa, and tends to rate better than Yaris) does but it's still not there yet, and Fiesta is going to rip it to shreds next year.

#8459 of 9838 Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [bpizzuti] by steve_ HOST

Aug 05, 2009 (6:44 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 05, 2009 3:27 am)
So far, they can get away with it
 
Sales could be rosier for Honda though.
 
"Although almost all of American Honda Motor Co. Inc.'s models made buyers eligible for cash-for-clunkers rebates, Honda still couldn't pull out of its recent sales doldrums, recording July sales down 17.3 percent compared with last year."
 
AutoObserver

#8460 of 9838 Re: 2010 Yaris gets traction/electronic stability control? [steve_] by bpizzuti

Aug 05, 2009 (7:01 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Aug 05, 2009 6:44 am)
That is a bit surprising but only a bit: they weren't plastering themselves all over the airwaves like some others (Toyota, Hyundai, Dodge, Ford...etc). I think that particular corporate attitude and their relatively high pricing came back to bite them this time.

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