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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8653 messages, Last post on Nov 27, 2009 at 6:22 PM
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Replying to: steve_ (Jul 15, 2009 5:37 pm)  My biggest concern about something like that would not be so much how it does when hitting something, but how it does when it GETS hit. Running a Yaris at 40 mph into the rear-end of a stopped Suburban does NOT yield the same result as doing it the other way around.
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Replying to: aladdinsane (Jul 28, 2009 3:34 am) Standard ESC is going to be mandated in a very short time (2 years) anyway, so Toyota loses little by making it standard earlier, and gains the nice PR of it. For '09 the Yaris got standard ABS and 6 airbags, so with the standard ESC for '10 it will be properly equipped for all the safety shoppers. Problem is it is still built in Japan and with the exchange rate at 95 yen to the dollar, we probably won't see too many in the States. It would be nice to see Honda offer a proper subcompact again - the Fit is on the large side for that segment. I hope the CRZ is still in the works. And bring on the Polo, Fiesta, and Fiat 500! 
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 28, 2009 5:27 am)  Of course the sneakers would go right under the Suburban and escape unscathed.  We should at least stick to the same price class, and look at how it fares compared to an Aveo or Versa, the two closest priced cars it would compete with. |
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Replying to: aladdinsane (Jul 28, 2009 3:34 am)
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Replying to: tifighter (Aug 04, 2009 9:57 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 04, 2009 3:05 pm) Hmm...maybe Toyota can take over that Goldwing production line Honda just closed down 
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Replying to: tifighter (Aug 04, 2009 9:57 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Aug 04, 2009 8:41 pm) I would still love to see Honda take the competition more seriously with the Fit.
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 04, 2009 10:12 pm) So far, they can get away with it because most of the competition don't take themselves seriously. Toyota doesn't help by overpricing their cars either, but people are willing to pay it, it seems, even for the Yaris and Fit. Besides, NO ONE takes GM and the Aveo/Cobalt seriously...I don't even think GM does yet. They've always had trouble taking that segment seriously, and while the Cruze might have fixed that a bit, it's been postponed indefinitely. While Focus, Elantra and Sentra (not even mentioning Civic and Corolla) walk all over the Cobalt. Aveo actually does a bit better competition wise than Cobalt (Doesn't stand up too bad with Accent and Versa, and tends to rate better than Yaris) does but it's still not there yet, and Fiesta is going to rip it to shreds next year.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 05, 2009 2:27 am) Sales could be rosier for Honda though. "Although almost all of American Honda Motor Co. Inc.'s models made buyers eligible for cash-for-clunkers rebates, Honda still couldn't pull out of its recent sales doldrums, recording July sales down 17.3 percent compared with last year." AutoObserver
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