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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

8674 messages,  Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 11:23 PM

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Re: i tried to... [lilengineerboy] by explorerx4
May 19, 2009 (3:37 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (May 18, 2009 4:11 pm)

i was thinking about lobbying for a '101', but we are just too busy.
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Re: how about the ford fiesta? [fezo] by snakeweasel
May 19, 2009 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (May 19, 2009 2:02 pm)

I had a friend from high school who had a 142 (not sure what year it was). His uncle gave it to him in our senior year in high school with a little over 200K on it. It was an ok car but reliable as all heck. I think he took it to well over 400K on the original engine and tranny. IIRC it had a 2 liter engine.
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Re: how about the ford fiesta? [snakeweasel] by fezo
May 19, 2009 (6:04 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (May 19, 2009 5:15 pm)

You couldn't kill those things. I had mine up to 144K. It needed some work and had a bit of rust. It was one of those put some money into it or move on moments. They type where today I'd put the money into it. I was 26 at the time. 22 when I bought it.
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Is slow the new black? by ateixeira
May 20, 2009 (6:14 am)
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LOL
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Re: Is slow the new black? [ateixeira] by thegraduate
May 20, 2009 (8:02 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 20, 2009 6:14 am)


 
Yes... both!
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Re: Is slow the new black? [thegraduate] by andre1969
May 21, 2009 (5:54 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (May 20, 2009 8:02 pm)

From what I've read, the Smart can do 0-60 in around 12-13 seconds, depending on who you want to believe. I found one quarter mile stat of around 19.2 seconds at 70.5 mph. And I think top speed is electronically limited to 90 mph.
 
So, while it won't knock your socks off, it's still probably more than adequate for most needs. The only thing I'd worry about is highway merging. The 12-13 second 0-60 time doesn't scare me so much, but the quarter mile time does, and implies to me that the car is starting to get pushed to its limit after 60. For comparison, Consumer Reports tested a 1968 Dodge Dart with a 225 slant six (I remember this only because I used to own a similar 1969, so I know how it performed) and while it took them 14 seconds to get from 0-60, the quarter mile came in at 19 seconds at 72 mph. So, to get from 60 to 72 mph, it only took that car 5 seconds, while it's taking the Smart more like 6-7 seconds to get from 60 to 70.5 mph.
 
And FWIW, that Dart seemed perfectly capable at the time, although I'm sure if I had it to drive today, it wouldn't be nearly as good as I remember!
 
I also wonder then, how the Smart would do in highway passing? Such as, if you're cruising along at 65-70 and want to pass, but traffic in the passing lane is rolling past at a much faster clip. Would the Smart have the guts to pass safely?
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Re: Is slow the new black? [andre1969] by bumpy
May 21, 2009 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 21, 2009 5:54 am)

It's not that big of a deal. Just plan out your spot, drop down a gear or two, then drop the hammer on it. If that's not enough for you, there is the turbo kit.
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Re: Is slow the new black? [andre1969] by ateixeira
May 21, 2009 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 21, 2009 5:54 am)

Should be fine for a city car, where 0-40 is all that matters, just to get out of people's way.
 
Where it would feel slow would be passing on the highway, 50-70 maybe, though hopefully the owner isn't driving often on those kinds of roads.
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Re: Is slow the new black? [thegraduate] by explorerx4
May 21, 2009 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (May 20, 2009 8:02 pm)

i work across the river, about a mile as the crow flies, from a 'smart' dealer.
maybe i have seen 4 or 5, ever.
last weekend i saw one for sale up in litchfield.
it was sitting in the yard with grass growing around it, like many other cars that have been waiting for a buyer for a while.
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Re: Is slow the new black? [ateixeira] by nippononly
May 21, 2009 (8:40 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 21, 2009 10:46 am)

Headed to LA with some friends last weekend in their Sienna, there we were, cruising along around 75 mph, got passed by a Smart car! And it was way out in the middle of nowhere too, it was clearly someone making the trek from SF to LA like us.

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