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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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Re: ateixeira [nippononly] by ateixeira
Apr 30, 2009 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 30, 2009 8:33 am)

If Tata is smart they will expand very carefully. Especially to the US - a very unforgiving market.
 
One false start and it could spoil even their future hopes of success here.
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Nissan Cube by benjaminh
May 16, 2009 (11:54 am)
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This car is goofy looking, but I like it. A lot of functionality for an affordable price. Starts at $14.5k, and it seems like a lot of car for the money. Anyone else like the cube? Seems like some love it and others hate it.
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how about the ford fiesta? by explorerx4
May 16, 2009 (12:16 pm)
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i'm thinking it could be a big hit. i think i want one.
the question is, what do i have to give up to get one.
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Re: how about the ford fiesta? [explorerx4] by nortsr1
May 17, 2009 (5:39 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (May 16, 2009 12:16 pm)

You have to give up a lot of SAFETY for one thing.
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Re: how about the ford fiesta? [nortsr1] by alltorque
May 17, 2009 (6:55 am)
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Replying to: nortsr1 (May 17, 2009 5:39 am)

"You have to give up a lot of SAFETY for one thing."
 
Let's not go down the "Small cars are unsafe" route again. The Fiesta scores 4* on EuroNCAP testing, (5* = max), that's the same as the MINI, Honda Jazz (Fit) and Honda CR-V........and others. The current version of the Chrysler Grand Voyager isn't rated but, IIRC, the previous one scored very low - 2* or 3* - and was notorious for folding in all the wrong places during impact. Being "big" does not always equate to being "safe". Good structural design is the key.
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Re: how about the ford fiesta? [alltorque] by lilengineerboy
May 17, 2009 (6:58 am)
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Replying to: alltorque (May 17, 2009 6:55 am)

I think it is important to have across the board availability of passive and active safety features. The Fit and Scions have ABS standard, and I believe stability control is coming in too. Having 27 inflatable balloons coming out of every crevice in the vehicle should a collision occur is also important.
Ford has been not as stellar in this arena in the past.
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Re: how about the ford fiesta? [alltorque] by nortsr1
May 18, 2009 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: alltorque (May 17, 2009 6:55 am)

Are you telling me the Tata" IS A SAFE CAR IN IT'S PRESENT FORM" to be driven "here in the U.S.A?????? We were talking about the TATA not the Ford Fiesta.
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Re: Nissan Cube [benjaminh] by ateixeira
May 18, 2009 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: benjaminh (May 16, 2009 11:54 am)

They are definitely interesting cars, but remember that the basic Versa they are based on starts at $9995 or something like that. I'm sure you get more content, but it's a pretty basic platform.
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Re: how about the ford fiesta? [nortsr1] by alltorque
May 18, 2009 (11:57 am)
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Replying to: nortsr1 (May 18, 2009 7:14 am)

Abject apologies................for ranting on about the Fiesta and missing the point of your comment being the TATA. Not sure that I class the TATA as particularly inherently safe in anything other than high density city traffic or low-speed urban environments. I certainly wouldn't want to put my faith in one in full-blown high-density/high-speed environments; particularly when there are more proven vehicles available. Maybe it will "prove" out O.K. but I'll reserve judgement until some data becomes available.
 
So, in answer to your question : no, I'm not.
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Re: how about the ford fiesta? [alltorque] by ateixeira
May 18, 2009 (12:24 pm)
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Replying to: alltorque (May 18, 2009 11:57 am)

Remember, you have to compare the safety of the Tata Nano to the scooter/bicycle/donkey it competes against, and so relatively speaking it is a very safe vehicle at its price point.
 
Don't donkeys bite?
 
For $2500 you have a different set of rules, and competition.

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