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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

8691 messages,  Last post on Dec 04, 2009 at 1:39 PM

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Re: Well... [nippononly] by kyfdx HOST
Apr 20, 2009 (6:42 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 20, 2009 12:32 pm)

Hmm... X3 is built in Austria... The new model (whenever that happens) will be constructed in South Carolina, but almost all of the parts will still come from Germany (80% or more).
 
Most older CR-Vs were built in England and Japan... It's just the new model that's being built here..
 
I'm going with the demographics theory... , though it's likely a combination of many factors..
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Re: Ratings [kyfdx] by ateixeira
Apr 21, 2009 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Apr 20, 2009 10:26 am)

Score one for small cars...
 
My fleet includes:
 
Car Vehicle Safety Discount
Sienna 10%
Forester 20%
Miata 30%
 
The smallest car has the biggest discount, with State Farm, at least.
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Re: Ratings [ateixeira] by kyfdx HOST
Apr 21, 2009 (7:51 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 21, 2009 7:26 am)

I noticed a lot of specialty cars had low rates...
 
Caymans and Boxsters, etc...
 
Again, I think it's the demographics, and that possibly those cars are used less for commuting..
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Re: Ratings [kyfdx] by ateixeira
Apr 21, 2009 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Apr 21, 2009 7:51 am)

My 93 Miata was the cheapest of my 3 cars to insure.
 
Now with a new 2008 it's in the middle.
 
I guess small cars have lower liability.
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Re: Soulless [steve_] by ateixeira
Apr 21, 2009 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 14, 2009 2:28 pm)

Steve: perhaps this is purely a matter of expectations, but I checked one out at the NY Auto Show and I had the opposite impression. I was pleasantly surprised.
 
I liked it better than the Cube we saw, though we could not get in the Cube.
 
Materials are nothing to brag about, but there were all put together well, and fit and finish were impressive for the price.
 
The boxy design is practical and roomy, the interior is airy and seems almost mid-sized. The center console and dash look like a snow board - a neat design feature.
 
That plus I thought the fabrics used were playful and fun.
 
Again, for the price, you sort of expect an unassuming, boring car, and the Soul actually had a little spunk.
 
Just my $0.02.
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Re: Soulless [ateixeira] by steve_ HOST
Apr 21, 2009 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 21, 2009 11:18 am)

Now wait a minute - if the dash had looked like a snowboard, I sure would have noticed that.
 
Haven't seen a Cube yet.
 
I think part of the problem with us is that my wife was excited about the Soul for the last 4 months. Every time she ran across an article or link, she'd make me read it. Familiarity must have bred contempt because it was a letdown in person.
 
With your .02 and my .02, we're almost up to a piece of Double-Bubble.
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Re: Soulless [steve_] by fintail
Apr 21, 2009 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 21, 2009 12:38 pm)

That might be it. Maybe high expectations and excitement took over. Remember, it's a Kia, and a cheap one at that. Cheap and cheerful is all to expect.
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Re: Soulless [fintail] by steve_ HOST
Apr 21, 2009 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Apr 21, 2009 1:26 pm)

Remember, it's a Kia
 
That was part of the attraction too. We've always liked cheap underdog cars and have always had great luck with them ('82 Tercel instead of an Omni or Civic, '89 Voyager instead of a Caravan, '99 Quest instead of a Sienna or Odyssey). The Outback is still a bit of a niche car, but probably the most mainstream one we've ever had.
 
Well, the Tercel was basic but pretty popular and not the cheapest subcompact in its day I suppose.
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Re: Soulless [steve_] by fintail
Apr 21, 2009 (6:26 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 21, 2009 3:14 pm)

Comparing the Soul to something like that Tercel shows there has been some progress in 25 years.
 
Come a few hundred miles west and an Outback is very mainstream, at least they seem to be around Seattle.
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Re: Soulless [fintail] by steve_ HOST
Apr 21, 2009 (7:10 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Apr 21, 2009 6:26 pm)

One reason we didn't get one before was because all our friends in Anchorage had them. That's where our '97 came from in fact. There are plenty around town here, but not so much in the rest of the state, which is pretty much pickup country.
 
Maybe Fiat will make it over and we can get one of these:
 

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