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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8691 messages, Last post on Dec 04, 2009 at 1:39 PM
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My wife and I went to a Kia dealer this afternoon and looked at the 5 or 6 Souls they had on the lot. We were both disappointed with our first impression. So much so that we didn't even ask for a test drive. Didn't live up to the hype. The salesperson wasn't too interested either (in us or the car). They did have the humorous $1800 ADM on a sticker. Then we went to the GM store and chit-chatted about Vibes for a while. Good, non- commissioned salesperson. They had a 1.8l 5 speed on the floor for ~$11,500 (figure $12.5k OTD with 6% tax and fees). Lot more bang for the buck than some of the subcompacts. Unfortunately the base has no power windows or doors, cruise or steering wheel radio controls. It did have AC, tint and an AUX jack. They may be able to add some of that stuff for another two grand. As far as subcompacts go, the xD is still the leader vs the Versa and Fit. Haven't looked at the Yaris or Rio or Aveo.
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Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 14, 2009 8:57 am) Not only that but when you increase mass you increase the amount of force that object is exhorting. A Sequoia doing 40 MPH is going to have the same force behind it as a Yaris doing over 62 MPH. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 14, 2009 9:03 am) My guess is that the average Miata driver is not driving the same as the average Corvette and Mustang drivers. |
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forgotten. How's Chicago, the Miracle Mile, Geneva, the Sears Tower and the John Hancock building doing? Still a staunch advocate of Hyundai and do you still have your Elantra wagon? Speaking of compact cars, if not subcompact cars. 
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 14, 2009 5:29 pm) Trying to stay out of Chicago, Geneva is still Geneva, lots of interesting shopping. The Sears Tower? What is that? Still a staunch advocate of Hyundai and do you still have your Elantra wagon? Still and advocate of Hyundai, but alas after 9 years and 162K trouble free miles the Elantra wagon is gone. I was going to keep it another year or so but she who must be obeyed wanted to get a convertible and I found a real great deal on a year old used Sebring so we decided to take it. But hey we still have the Accent and another Elantra could very well be in the future. |
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| I notice the vehicles they used in this test were all foreign manufacturers; accord into fit, camry into yaris, smart car (american but independent)into some other mid-sized sedan. I wonder if this is an attempt either by the media or domestic manufacturers to smear foreign automotive manufacturers. why didn't they for instance crash an aveo into a malibu? domestic automakers really don't have an answer to superior foreign subcompacts. so they just smear the whole subcompact lineup across the board in hopes people will buy larger vehicles preferably domestic. Just my conspiracy theory and $.02 trying to herd all the sheep. | |
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Replying to: stewpidaso (Apr 15, 2009 5:02 am) If they had used the Chevy Impala, Buick Lacrosse, Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan or Lincoln MKZ- THOSE are foreign made cars! The GM models in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada and the Ford products in Hermosillo, Mexico! Crashing an Impala (Canadian) into an Aveo (South Korean) would be amusing.... 
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well, a Sebring convertible sounds nice. Obama is guaranteeing the Warranty work on her car, then, yes? That's a pretty decent bodystyle on that car, and a convertible would look nice for that car. One place I like when in Chicago is Navy Pier. Just about every sort of specialty shop available on the planet, lots of food to choose from, and a large ferris wheel to ride on. When there in 1996, my bro-in-law and son went on a ride on Navy Pier that I will never forget. It was a white spaceship-looking thing, we were offered the "final ride a the night $5 special." The theme was space railroadin', and you want a fast and freaky ride? The special effects on the screen in front of you, combined with all the shaking back and forth and up and down they do with your seat(seatbelts are not optional on this ride, you have to put them on for him to start the ride), really gives you the distinct impression that you're really on a train in space on a fast and crazy roller coaster. I've never been on anything like that ride since. Not sure I want a repeat or not, but it was fun! |
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 14, 2009 2:28 pm) The ad with the Guinea Pigs are funny, too, even my kids laughed. That ADM would price it up with leftover 2008 Miatas, the rebate is now $5000! If a 2 seater will do consider one of those, base models are in the $16k range now, believe it or not. An $11k Vibe sounds intruiging, too, at that price you can overlook a lot. How much for a decently equipped one?
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 15, 2009 8:02 am) The Vibe is a killer deal I think. The dealer would add power windows/locks/keyless entry and cruise for ~$2k, bringing the price on the base Vibe before tax and fees to $13,937. The automatics were running around $15k with power everything and sunroofs. There's a $1500 or 0% incentive going on around here currently. A base Miata for $16k? I didn't think you could get into one of those for less than $22k (and I guess you can't if you go with the current model year). Call it $17k OTD, sell the Outback for $5k, and that would be sweet and relatively cheap. I don't think my wife wants to tool around in the minivan for another decade though. 
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