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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

8674 messages,  Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 11:23 PM

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What is this discussion about? Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper


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Re: hmmm [kyfdx] by thegraduate
Nov 05, 2008 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Nov 05, 2008 1:19 pm)

$1.83 in Bartlesville, Oklahoma.
 
WOW.
 
For the record, Birmingham is averaging around $2.37 (per GasBuddy.com), which is actually ABOVE the national average. For as long as I can remember, gas here was always cheaper than average, until Hurricane Ike struck. It's actually $2.03 on the Gulf Coast of AL, where my parents live.
 
They couldn't be happier with their big V6 Taurus (avg 25 MPG) haha. They almost went with a Versa. Sure, prices will go back up, but hopefully not for a little while.
 
The Versa is still a big bargain at $11k.
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Re: hmmm [thegraduate] by nippononly
Nov 05, 2008 (5:04 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 05, 2008 2:10 pm)

the interesting thing about the new base Versa is that they put in a smaller engine as part of making it cheaper. I would like to see this happen for all small models - the Fit/Jazz uses smaller engines in other parts of the world, so does the Aveo. And in the case of the Yaris Toyota appears to be getting ready to follow Nissan's lead, with a smaller engine among other changes designed to get cost down.
 
Me, I am all for it, as we might get a few cars with really superlative fuel economy again, without having to buy a hybrid to do better than 40 mpg....
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Re: hmmm [nippononly] by thegraduate
Nov 05, 2008 (6:49 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 05, 2008 5:04 pm)

The Versa is rated for 26/34 in 1.6L form, which is lower than the heavier, more comfortable, and more powerful Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic. Also, you mention having the other brands use smaller engined models; well, the 1.6L Versa is a bigger engine than the TOP model of Fit and Yaris. Just a bit of info that may have been overlooked.
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Re: hmmm [thegraduate] by nippononly
Nov 05, 2008 (10:44 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 05, 2008 6:49 pm)

Oh yes certainly, the Versa is a poor example of what I was saying because its fuel economy is so utterly mediocre for a car its size. I was thinking that the Honda and the Toyota could have substantially better ratings than that - the Honda does much better on the European testing cycle with the smaller engine, and Toyota is aiming for a combined 40 mpg with the 1.3L Yaris, which would top everything powered only by gas today.
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Re: hmmm [nippononly] by andre1969
Nov 06, 2008 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Nov 05, 2008 10:44 pm)

Actually the Versa doesn't seem TOO bad, if you get the 1.8/CVT. The EPA has it pegged at 27/33 (29 combined). The Corolla 1.8/4-speed auto is 27/35 (30 combined) and the Civic 1.8/5-speed auto is 25/36 (29 combined).
 
I guess if you do a lot of highway driving, the Corolla or Civic are better choices, but the Versa looks like a good choice for local driving. The EPA website doesn't list a 1.6 Versa, at least not that I can find, but they do show a 1.8/4speed auto rated at 24/32...not very impressive.
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Versa a sub? by ateixeira
Nov 06, 2008 (7:43 am)
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I guess the other thing is the Versa isn't really a sub-compact - it's a compact.
 
Compared to the Aveo hatch (I looked this up) it is more than 2 FEET longer. Wow.
 
I've sat inside and even the back seat is roomy. It doesn't really feel small. In fact I wonder if it's actually roomier than the Sentra.
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Re: Versa a sub? [ateixeira] by kyfdx HOST
Nov 06, 2008 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 06, 2008 7:43 am)

I agree about the interior of the Versa... A big step up from the Honda FIT..
 
However, I was unimpressed with the drive.... Even the six-speed was not that great..
 
(no offense to PF Flyer who has one, and likes it just fine).
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Truely stupid WSJ article by texases
Nov 06, 2008 (7:47 am)
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WSJ had a article yesterday about small car regrets. The point being that people who 'traded down' to save gas found themselves missing things...like electric windows and CD players! What a bunch of maroons! Just about any compact car can be equipped comfortably, it's like these people panicked.
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Re: Truely stupid WSJ article [texases] by ateixeira
Nov 06, 2008 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: texases (Nov 06, 2008 7:47 am)

Sounds like they just picked the wrong model.
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Re: Versa a sub? [kyfdx] by steve_ HOST
Nov 06, 2008 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Nov 06, 2008 7:47 am)

When you say big step up for the interior of the Versa, I know you mean the materials and such. But the rear seat makes a big box on the floor when you try to lay everything flat. The Fit and xD are better that way for those of us who carry junk more than we carry passengers.
 
My wife didn't like not being able to see the front edges of the Versa, but the MT one we tested did drive ok.
 
They still look pretty small to me but I guess having 5 doors rules them out of the sub-compact class.

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