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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8684 messages, Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 9:12 PM
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Replying to: plekto (Sep 15, 2008 12:55 pm) But I bet Europe has smaller slower engines, and we will only be getting the very most powerful engine, because acceleration standards are so much more leisurely in Europe. The smaller slower engines we won't get are the ones producing the best FE numbers, that's for sure. It's the standard formula for bringing a "world car" to the States. Me, I would buy one of the slower models for another 15% savings in gas. Nobody's going anywhere fast when they are stuck in traffic headed to work anyway. 0-60 in 12 seconds and 50 mpg (gas) combined? No sweat!
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Replying to: nippononly (Sep 15, 2008 8:33 pm) And, actually, the area where the diesels lag is in the highway speed. 0-30 they literally jump off the line thanks to tons of torque. Great for city traffic and only really suffer with onramp flogging.(course freeway traffic here in L.A. is rarely above 40mph, so all that speed is moot as you mentioned)
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Replying to: plekto (Sep 16, 2008 12:31 pm) Highway speeds are no problem, (depending upon the car, of course). The Volvo S60 D5 with the 6MT pulls 0-62mph in around 7.6 secs and runs on to 140+mph and that's only a 2.4ltr diesel, not some big lump. The BMW 335d 6AT runs the 0-62mph in a claimed 6.2secs and up to a governed 155mph. The 535d is only 0.2 secs behind it. As you say, diesels are lovely in city traffic - especially with a good 6AT - but they also excel at low-rev highway cruising..................and great pick-up at low revs.
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Toyota has released the 5-door Yaris as an '09, and it will only come with an automatic!!!! I can't think of ONE plausible reason why they would do that, when both the sedan and 3-door come with a stick and have the SAME POWERTRAIN. More and more, I just can't STAND Toyota these days... 
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when it comes to subcompacts. Toyota's "I'll make vanilla-flavored cars to appeal to the masses and then we'll make more money" thing is a big sell-out to true enthusiasts worldwide. They're lo-hoo-ha-hoo-ha-loooooo-sssss-eeeee-rrrr-ss in my automobile producer book. I like this new small Kia, the Soul crossover, and designs like this. They show some creativity and they share the love of automotive design in a more open and creative and delicious manner. 
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Sep 25, 2008 8:58 pm) 
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Replying to: alltorque (Sep 16, 2008 1:24 pm) It also seems like Europeans like stylized vehicles w/shape while Americans seem to like more basic styling. I think some of these issues also play a roll in moving vehicles back and forth across the pond. |
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Replying to: oregonboy (Sep 25, 2008 10:47 pm) 
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Replying to: nippononly (Sep 25, 2008 8:45 pm) Toyota has released the 5-door Yaris as an '09, and it will only come with an automatic!!!! You predicted this yourself not that long ago.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Sep 26, 2008 1:17 pm) 
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