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8676 messages,  Last post on Dec 02, 2009 at 1:07 PM

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What is this discussion about? Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper


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Re: Mazda 3 Sedan I New Vaue 2.0 [ateixeira] by alltorque
Aug 30, 2008 (5:53 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 27, 2008 11:30 am)

I almost hate myself for saying this - but only "almost" - here in Europe the Mazda 3 5-door hatch is available with 1.4, 1.6 and 2.0 gassers and 1.6 and 2.0 diesels, the latter with 143bhp.
 
I really do not understand why they aren't available in USA. Hopefully they will be ere long.
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Re: Mazda 3 Sedan I New Vaue 2.0 [alltorque] by texases
Aug 30, 2008 (7:40 am)
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Replying to: alltorque (Aug 30, 2008 5:53 am)

The diesels all come down to emissions. Only just now will we start getting ones that can comply with our stringent particulates regulations, and most (except Honda's, as far as I know) require an additional urea injection system.
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Re: Mazda 3 Sedan I New Vaue 2.0 [texases] by ateixeira
Sep 02, 2008 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: texases (Aug 30, 2008 7:40 am)

Benz bluetecs arrive for MY2009, so they're here. VW has new TDIs also, but I think they cost a bit more with the clean emissions.
 
More to come soon.
 
Subaru just launched a diesel Forester in europe.
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Re: Mazda 3 Sedan I New Vaue 2.0 [ateixeira] by alltorque
Sep 02, 2008 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 02, 2008 9:29 am)

Here in Europe, Subaru have launched their new "Boxer" diesel in Legacy, (Saloon & Tourer), Forester and Outback. Not in the Imprezza yet but..........................probably just a matter of time.
 
Engine is an H4, 2.0Ltr, 148bhp/258Lbft. Must go for a test-drive.
 
Have a search on the Subaru UK site for details.
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Test Drove a 2009 Fit Sport (No Navi) by thegraduate
Sep 04, 2008 (8:59 pm)
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Anybody wanting to ask me any questions, please do.
 
I'll say it felt more roomy than the previous fit, but still was a few inches short on front legroom, for me (6'5" 200), where a Civic fits better, and my Accord is fantastic.
 
The engine noise seemed greatly reduced from 2008, and the ride seemed a little smoother as well. Engine power felt identical to the 2008, but there was an extra person in my drive today (about 180 lbs) so that probably makes up the difference.
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Re: Test Drove a 2009 Fit Sport (No Navi) [thegraduate] by nippononly
Sep 04, 2008 (9:04 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 04, 2008 8:59 pm)

So they have arrived at your local dealer? I heard they would be a month early - guess that was true....
 
My local dealer sold his last '08 Fit ages ago. I imagine they must have been impatient to get the '09s in.
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Re: Test Drove a 2009 Fit Sport (No Navi) [nippononly] by thegraduate
Sep 04, 2008 (9:12 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Sep 04, 2008 9:04 pm)

They had but one 2009; when we got in it it had 5 miles on it. They were ready to deal if we were, but we only drove it out of curiousity. I guess it wasn't just a demo. The sticker was $17,5XX or so, with an extra $299 for the Xylon treatment tacked on. Cute car, but not worth that to me. I'd have a Versa that's better equipped, or better yet, something like a midsize Ford or Hyundai. I'm 6'5", so interior room is worth a premium to me.
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Re: Test Drove a 2009 Fit Sport (No Navi) [thegraduate] by thegreatoz
Sep 04, 2008 (9:25 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Sep 04, 2008 8:59 pm)

I had money down on my dealer's next '09 FIT and after today's test drive, I decided not to trade in my Civic EX ('06 12,550 miles). The engine was peppy from 0-25, but was noisy and whiny up to 55. Handling was a little jittery at 55 also.
 
My primary turn-off was the "fuzzy cardboard" for the seatbacks and cargo floor. It's certainly not up to supporting heavy loads or rough wear & tear. The dashboard and doors were as nice as the Civic in quality, however. The cloth seats were a little lower quality than the Civic.
 
All in all, for $19g (Sport/AT/Navi) you don't get the ride and engine and quiet you can in a Civic...for just a couple of more g's...and equally decent gas mileage.
 
I was hoping to downsize and get sporty with the FIT, but IMHO it's no competition for the Civic. Had it been a Blackberry Pearl instead of a Storm Silver, I might have been persuaded to think about it more.
 
By the way, this Honda dealer keeps the $500 deposit if you don't follow through with the deal. Is that common practice? A phone call from my attorney resulted in "keeping the $500 in escrow for use on a future deal."
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Re: Test Drove a 2009 Fit Sport (No Navi) [thegreatoz] by badself
Sep 05, 2008 (4:13 am)
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Replying to: thegreatoz (Sep 04, 2008 9:25 pm)

You got screwed by not setting the terms of your deposit up front, and obviously by not reading the fine print the dealer locked you into.
 
The practice is deplorable, but unfortunately, you put yourself there, and with little or no bargaining power now that the dealer has your cash and little incentive to discount.
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Re: Test Drove a 2009 Fit Sport (No Navi) [badself] by thegreatoz
Sep 05, 2008 (4:26 am)
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Replying to: badself (Sep 05, 2008 4:13 am)

Yup...too enthusiastic over the FIT.
 
If the FIT is so scarce, especially certain colors, there's no dealer incentive to discount, even if I weren't the village idiot.
 

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