What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jul 27, 2008 6:11 am)

Putting my remarks into context, my earlier statment "The Corolla began as a great car" I stand by. However that is keeping it in the context of what that car was designed for. As far as a Civic, which I did not reference in my earlier post, I also believe that is a great car as well. These are two cars in the same class that simply are engineered a bit differently to reflect the overall values of Toyota & Honda. Both world class car companies. To argue which is the sportiest, or has the best ride is a natural argument based on the drivers preferences. It's an argument that is held about any two competitors models no matter what class, price, model, body style, etc.
 
That said, having owned both Corollas and Hondas of the same year my personal preferences aside (Honda) I remain steadfast in my claim that they are both great cars.........

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Replying to: podred (Jul 28, 2008 8:48 am)

I'm surprised the Civic vs. Corolla thread isn't more active, but I figure the Corolla owners are asleep in their garages after driving home.
 
Just kidding (for the most part, ).

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Replying to: lemmer (Jul 28, 2008 10:36 am)

Drive a new Accord and tell me how much excitement you experienced. When I did, my answer was "not much". They are losing the Accord to the U.S. middle market.
 
As for the next-gen Fit, they have already said they softened the suspension to "smooth out" that great handling, in order to achieve a better ride. I used to call this Camry-ization, but I'm going to start calling it Accord-ization.
 
More articles out there today on the predicament Mini finds itself in: no more cars available to ship for dealer stock for the remainder of this year.

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Replying to: nippononly (Jul 28, 2008 12:00 pm)

...that the buyer ratings on the smart and Yaris (9.4) are higher (slightly) than the Fit (9.2)...go figure

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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 28, 2008 1:34 pm)

Yes, nothing big, but the folks that wanted the smart must have REALLY wanted it, and the objective problems most reviewers have found with it just didn't matter to them. I wonder how many more folks like that there are out there

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