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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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Re: Candian Acura / Civic [lemmer] by thegraduate
Jul 25, 2008 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Jul 25, 2008 6:28 am)

It is now the CSX, which was preceded by the 1.6EL and 1.7EL. United States Civic clones, for those who didn't know or couldn't tell.

 

 
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Re: Candian Acura / Civic [thegraduate] by andre1969
Jul 25, 2008 (3:49 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 25, 2008 6:42 am)

I know it's just a quickie badge-engineering job, like massaging a Vega into an Astre or a Cobalt into a G5, but those Acura Civics are actually handsome little beasts, IMO.
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Re: Candian Acura / Civic [andre1969] by fintail
Jul 25, 2008 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Jul 25, 2008 3:49 pm)

A friend of mine from Seattle wanted to buy one of those several years ago, and he went to Vancouver to see about it. The salesman told him Honda of Canada would not allow the cars to be sold out of the country (?!). So, he gave up on that idea, being too lazy to have someone else handle the sale and then move it down, or buy a used one. I have seen a couple of the earlier versions of that car around Seattle, so over time they have trickled down.
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Re: Yaris vs FIt ? [lewjac3] by podred
Jul 26, 2008 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: lewjac3 (Jul 24, 2008 3:17 pm)

Not true, I have owned three Toyota pickups for the past thirty years, and I had to bring my 2004 in for a recall in 05, the dealer gave me a courtesy car and that Corolla was a piece of gaaarbage.
 
The Corolla began as a great car, then flogged by the minions, what can one expect... beat to crap....NOT garbage by any means.
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Re: Yaris vs FIt ? [podred] by lilengineerboy
Jul 26, 2008 (7:40 pm)
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Replying to: podred (Jul 26, 2008 4:07 pm)

The Corolla began as a great car, then flogged by the minions, what can one expect... beat to crap....NOT garbage by any means.
 
Eh, it is a tippy, non-responsive, dull appliance of a transport. The base model doesn't even have sway bars. Its a pretty miserable drive (perhaps not the new '09, but so far the reports haven't been too encouraging).
 
In contrast to a Civic, which feels more responsive, handles better, and has no drawbacks relative to the Corolla.
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Re: Yaris vs FIt ? [lilengineerboy] by thegraduate
Jul 26, 2008 (8:51 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jul 26, 2008 7:40 pm)

Playing devil's advocate here, but the Corolla does have a much smoother highway ride than the Civic, with less "fidgety" steering.
 
I do share your sentiments about the Corolla's lack of personality, or any "fun" pretenses whatsoever. The Civic is a RACE car in comparison.
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Re: Yaris vs FIt ? [thegraduate] by lilengineerboy
Jul 27, 2008 (6:11 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 26, 2008 8:51 pm)

Playing devil's advocate here, but the Corolla does have a much smoother highway ride than the Civic, with less "fidgety" steering.
 
Valid point, it seems one is tuned for luxury and one is tuned for sport. I didn't care for the highway ride of the Corolla because as a passenger, I felt it bordered on wallowy.
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Re: Yaris vs FIt ? [lilengineerboy] by thegraduate
Jul 27, 2008 (12:44 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jul 27, 2008 6:11 am)

I actually didn't; I thought it had a very nice ride for a compact car, much better than my father's Civic. If I'm behind the wheel, though, give me the Civic ANY day.
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Civic vs Corolla by podred
Jul 28, 2008 (8:48 am)
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Putting my remarks into context, my earlier statment "The Corolla began as a great car" I stand by. However that is keeping it in the context of what that car was designed for. As far as a Civic, which I did not reference in my earlier post, I also believe that is a great car as well. These are two cars in the same class that simply are engineered a bit differently to reflect the overall values of Toyota & Honda. Both world class car companies. To argue which is the sportiest, or has the best ride is a natural argument based on the drivers preferences. It's an argument that is held about any two competitors models no matter what class, price, model, body style, etc.
 
That said, having owned both Corollas and Hondas of the same year my personal preferences aside (Honda) I remain steadfast in my claim that they are both great cars.........
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Re: Civic vs Corolla [podred] by thegraduate
Jul 28, 2008 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: podred (Jul 28, 2008 8:48 am)

I'm surprised the Civic vs. Corolla thread isn't more active, but I figure the Corolla owners are asleep in their garages after driving home.
 
Just kidding (for the most part, ).

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