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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 27, 2008 6:47 am) Now if your daily commute is 200 miles RT, and it's all on the freeway at 70 mph, well THEN you might do just as well in the Civic as in the Fit. But ask yourself if every trip you make is that commute....every cold start is bringing your fuel economy down.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 27, 2008 8:07 am) |
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Replying to: thegreatoz (Jun 27, 2008 9:02 am) Urban sprawl –(noun) the uncontrolled spread of urban development into neighboring regions. from Dictionary.com What is "urban sprawl"? Is it a bad thing? It's bad in that it makes distances between one place and another further, increasing the amount of driving one must do. Los Angeles, California and Atlanta, Georgia, are two offenders that fall readily to mind, with home-to-work commutes that can routinely run in the 60-90 minute range. |
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Replying to: thegreatoz (Jun 27, 2008 9:02 am) And yes, in the context of super-high gas prices, it IS a bad thing, because it causes people to have to drive a lot more than they would otherwise need to, and we all know how much extra that is costing us these days.... |
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 27, 2008 9:10 am) I also would suggest that most people do NOT have an all-freeway, zero-traffic commute. Obviously, only the individual can judge as to the nature of their own commute, but most people will do several miles per day at least of surface street driving with stoplights, and hardly anyone in the major metro areas is running at full speed on the freeway during commute hours....
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 27, 2008 9:15 am) Of course. The difference in highway mileage and city mileage is 2-3 mpg either direction; City in favor of the Fit, with Hwy in favor of the Civic; all I'm suggesting is that it would be a wash in that kind of driving, possibly in the Civic's favor if you have more interstate than urban traffic. Regarding your last statement, I must say that when I travel on Birmingham's I-59, it usually moves at the limit +15 unless you are in the city center, in which it typically slows to 20-30mph at rush hour, that's only for about a 2 mile stretch though, in my particular commute. I do the same type of driving you mentioned (11 traffic lights in 4 miles of city) and 10 miles of 70 mph interstate between me and my office) in my 2006 Accord (listed at 24/34 then, now says 21/31) and I average 30 mpg.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 27, 2008 9:33 am) In stick shift, it's in the Fit's favor for city and a TIE for highway: 26/34 Civic, 28/34 for Fit. In the old numbers it even looked a little better for Fit: 33/38 vs 30/38 for Civic.  But yes, in automatic it's a couple points either way, neither model gets the clear advantage.
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 27, 2008 10:42 pm) Personally, I would wait a year or so because I imagine that the auto manufacturers are scrambling now to bring out models tweaked for better fuel economy; things like: lighter, narrower wheel/tire combos, improved aero, taller gearing, and engine mods.  jamez |
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 27, 2008 9:10 am) I saw a news story on line that said the high gas prices will result in the "end of suburban living." Would that be the same as "the end of urban sprawl"?
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Replying to: thegreatoz (Jun 28, 2008 8:29 am) I always looked at a suburb as a place where people live, but it's not necessarily a self-sustaining city. For the most part, just residential areas, and some commercial areas like gas stations, grocery stores, maybe a mall or two, but by and large, its residents have to go elsewhere to find work. When suburbs started popping up, they tended to be out a bit from the cities, where public transportation usually didn't go, or was limited. But as more and more land gets developed, and new suburbs pop up, they sort of all just run together, and that becomes urban sprawl. Just nothing but suburb after suburb, with very little open space to separate them. There's another term popping up, called the "Exurbs", which I think is a suburb, but one that's way out on the fringe, and requires a long commute to find work. It's these Exurbs that are going to suffer the most. People are going to avoid them like a plague, and they might even be too far out for the gangs and other low-lifes to move into. They might just become ghost towns. Or heck, put up a wall around them and turn them into prison camps! |
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