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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

8653 messages,  Last post on Nov 27, 2009 at 6:22 PM

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Re: Fits are UP [nippononly] by ateixeira
Jun 26, 2008 (7:48 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 23, 2008 8:20 pm)

Convert existing truck lines for Fit production.
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Re: Fits are UP [ateixeira] by nippononly
Jun 26, 2008 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 26, 2008 7:48 am)

Actually, I think they are already converting existing truck lines to build more Civics, another model they can't keep up with demand on. And since the Civic has the higher price tag of the two, it gets priority.
 
They do plan to bring even more North American capacity for small-car production on-line in the next five years, I believe. For now, they are playing with the notion of sending Chinese-built Fits (already in production and currently being sent to Europe) to the U.S. Not sure if anyone would even notice, or if they would care. I suspect if they did notice they would care.
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Re: Fits are UP [nippononly] by oregonboy
Jun 26, 2008 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 26, 2008 8:37 am)

I noticed that Civics have higher EPA highway ratings than Fits
I just wish that they made a Civic wagon or hatch for the US of A.
james
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Re: Fits are UP [oregonboy] by thegraduate
Jun 26, 2008 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: oregonboy (Jun 26, 2008 9:29 am)

On the highway, yes. Higher torque-engine allows taller gearing.
 
Around town, the 1.5L Fit bests the heavier 1.8L Civic.
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Re: Fits are UP [oregonboy] by nippononly
Jun 26, 2008 (10:54 pm)
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Replying to: oregonboy (Jun 26, 2008 9:29 am)

Only in automatic. In stick shift the Fit has the upper hand.
 
And graduate is right - around town the Fit will do better regardless of transmission. And around town is where most people do most of their driving...
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Re: Fits are UP [nippononly] by thegraduate
Jun 27, 2008 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 26, 2008 10:54 pm)

And graduate is right - around town the Fit will do better regardless of transmission. And around town is where most people do most of their driving...
 
Speak for yourself! Or, maybe I'm just not "most people." In today's world of urban sprawl, I'll bet people do a lot more highway driving than you might think.
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Re: Fits are UP [thegraduate] by lemmer
Jun 27, 2008 (7:11 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 27, 2008 6:47 am)

Highway driving in the urban sprawl around here usually equals lower speeds with stop and go traffic, which kind of negates the highway gain in MPG.
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Re: Fits are UP [lemmer] by thegraduate
Jun 27, 2008 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Jun 27, 2008 7:11 am)

I think that's true for many places. Here though (Birmingham, AL), it constitutes 75-80 mph driving, bumper-to-bumper, with no way to safely go much slower.
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Re: Fits are UP [thegraduate] by lemmer
Jun 27, 2008 (7:37 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 27, 2008 7:20 am)

Hey! I'm in Birmingham. I was thinking more of HWY 280 or 31, or even coming up I65 into town. Your description sounds like I459.
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Re: Fits are UP [lemmer] by thegraduate
Jun 27, 2008 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Jun 27, 2008 7:37 am)

It's a small world...
 
and I commute on I-59. I work in Homewood or at Valleydale, depending on whether or not I am at my internship, go to school at UAB, and live near Bessemer. I-59 is typically a fast mover at 5:00pm. Crowded, yes, but FAST! I avoid 65 and 280 like the plague.
 
In my head highway = interstate, no traffic lights.
 
I've found a couple of other subcompact people here in Birmingham as well; one is a regular in the Fit forum.

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