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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [british_rover] by guss
Jun 23, 2008 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 11:47 am)

The tax credit is based on new technologies, that is why the hybrids qualify and diesels do not, even though they may get better mileage.
 
The other criteria is how many of a particular model is sold. I think the reasoning is that once you reach a certain number sold , it is not new anymore.
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Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [guss] by british_rover
Jun 23, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: guss (Jun 23, 2008 9:33 am)

Clean diesels do count under the bill as advanced lean burn engine vehicles and would qualify for the credit. Up until the clean diesel TDI Jetta there were no diesels that met the tier 2 BIN 5 emissions requirement to qualify for the tax credit. The TDI jetta should qualify for the credit but I have no idea how much of a credit it will be. The current EPA test completely screws the Jetta and most likely will do the same too all small diesels. I believe the credit is based off the raw CAFE numbers though and not the EPA numbers.
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Fits are UP by nippononly
Jun 23, 2008 (8:20 pm)
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"For the first five months of the year, U.S. sales of the Fit were up 64.0 percent to 29,784 vehicles. And that's before the updated model even arrives."
 
"We had planned to sell between 30,000 and 40,000 and figured out very early that wasn't enough, so we increased production to 60,000. That still wasn't enough," Mendel said here last week"
 
So they will shoot for 80K annually in the U.S. when the model starts selling in October. Even then it may not be enough, but there's only so much they can do - they are pulling from a global well of Fit production that is only half a million or so, and is maxed out.
 
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080623/FREE/14228425/1528/n- ewsletter01
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Re: Fits are UP [nippononly] by ateixeira
Jun 26, 2008 (7:48 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 23, 2008 8:20 pm)

Convert existing truck lines for Fit production.
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Re: Fits are UP [ateixeira] by nippononly
Jun 26, 2008 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jun 26, 2008 7:48 am)

Actually, I think they are already converting existing truck lines to build more Civics, another model they can't keep up with demand on. And since the Civic has the higher price tag of the two, it gets priority.
 
They do plan to bring even more North American capacity for small-car production on-line in the next five years, I believe. For now, they are playing with the notion of sending Chinese-built Fits (already in production and currently being sent to Europe) to the U.S. Not sure if anyone would even notice, or if they would care. I suspect if they did notice they would care.
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Re: Fits are UP [nippononly] by oregonboy
Jun 26, 2008 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 26, 2008 8:37 am)

I noticed that Civics have higher EPA highway ratings than Fits
I just wish that they made a Civic wagon or hatch for the US of A.
james
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Re: Fits are UP [oregonboy] by thegraduate
Jun 26, 2008 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: oregonboy (Jun 26, 2008 9:29 am)

On the highway, yes. Higher torque-engine allows taller gearing.
 
Around town, the 1.5L Fit bests the heavier 1.8L Civic.
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Re: Fits are UP [oregonboy] by nippononly
Jun 26, 2008 (10:54 pm)
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Replying to: oregonboy (Jun 26, 2008 9:29 am)

Only in automatic. In stick shift the Fit has the upper hand.
 
And graduate is right - around town the Fit will do better regardless of transmission. And around town is where most people do most of their driving...
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Re: Fits are UP [nippononly] by thegraduate
Jun 27, 2008 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 26, 2008 10:54 pm)

And graduate is right - around town the Fit will do better regardless of transmission. And around town is where most people do most of their driving...
 
Speak for yourself! Or, maybe I'm just not "most people." In today's world of urban sprawl, I'll bet people do a lot more highway driving than you might think.
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Re: Fits are UP [thegraduate] by lemmer
Jun 27, 2008 (7:11 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 27, 2008 6:47 am)

Highway driving in the urban sprawl around here usually equals lower speeds with stop and go traffic, which kind of negates the highway gain in MPG.

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