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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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What is this discussion about? Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper

#7814 of 8653 Re: Smart fourtwo vs Triumph Speed Triple [british_rover] by bumpy Jun 06, 2008 (5:34 pm)
Replying to: british_rover (Jun 06, 2008 1:49 pm) So, I'd say, get the Triumph.*   Yeah, except for that whole pesky not having a motorcycle license thing. At any rate, I prefer the best of both worlds.
#7815 of 8653 Re: Smart fourtwo vs Triumph Speed Triple [british_rover] by snakeweasel Jun 06, 2008 (5:53 pm)
Replying to: british_rover (Jun 06, 2008 3:17 pm) that article was really more tongue in cheek   So was my response.   As for your last comment you must not know many motorcycle fans   I know plenty, triumph is not high on their list.
#7816 of 8653 Man no postings in more then a week... by british_rover Jun 21, 2008 (10:29 am)
what is going on in here.   Oh I gotta question that I figure someone in here can answer. Where can you find the raw EPA numbers for a vehicle? I don't mean the 2007 and under numbers I mean the 1985 and under numbers that they use for the CAFE ratings. Replies to this message: bristol2 (Jun 21, 2008 11:40 am) british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 11:47 am) guss (Jun 23, 2008 9:33 am) and 1 more... andre1969 (Jun 22, 2008 2:44 pm)
#7817 of 8653 Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [british_rover] by bristol2 Jun 21, 2008 (11:40 am)
Replying to: british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 10:29 am) Maybe with sales of small cars up 30-40% everyone's figured out that there is nothing 'wrong' with these new subcompacts? Replies to this message: british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 11:47 am) guss (Jun 23, 2008 9:33 am) british_rover (Jun 23, 2008 10:45 am)
#7818 of 8653 Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [bristol2] by british_rover Jun 21, 2008 (11:47 am)
Replying to: bristol2 (Jun 21, 2008 11:40 am) Yeah maybe that is the case.   The reason I am trying to figure out what the raw EPA numbers are is because I assume that is what they use to figure out the tax credits on Hybrids and the new Clean diesel cars. Right now the TDI Jetta isn't on the tax credit list but I assume it will be once they update it sometime next quarter for the 2009 MY vehicles. I am just trying to see if I can get a round guess of what the tax credit will be now. Replies to this message: guss (Jun 23, 2008 9:33 am) british_rover (Jun 23, 2008 10:45 am)
#7819 of 8653 Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [british_rover] by andre1969 Jun 22, 2008 (2:44 pm)
Replying to: british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 10:29 am) I always went here: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/download.shtml to look up those older numbers. You can actually see the raw numbers online (right column) up to 1996, but for 1997 and newer, you have to download the datafile (left column) and it load on your computer as a zip file. My Mac at work will always open it in Excel. Be warned, it's not all that easy to read, but the data's all there.
#7820 of 8653 Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [british_rover] by guss Jun 23, 2008 (9:33 am)
Replying to: british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 11:47 am) The tax credit is based on new technologies, that is why the hybrids qualify and diesels do not, even though they may get better mileage.   The other criteria is how many of a particular model is sold. I think the reasoning is that once you reach a certain number sold , it is not new anymore. Replies to this message: british_rover (Jun 23, 2008 10:45 am)
#7821 of 8653 Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [guss] by british_rover Jun 23, 2008 (10:45 am)
Replying to: guss (Jun 23, 2008 9:33 am) Clean diesels do count under the bill as advanced lean burn engine vehicles and would qualify for the credit. Up until the clean diesel TDI Jetta there were no diesels that met the tier 2 BIN 5 emissions requirement to qualify for the tax credit. The TDI jetta should qualify for the credit but I have no idea how much of a credit it will be. The current EPA test completely screws the Jetta and most likely will do the same too all small diesels. I believe the credit is based off the raw CAFE numbers though and not the EPA numbers.
#7822 of 8653 Fits are UP by nippononly Jun 23, 2008 (8:20 pm)
"For the first five months of the year, U.S. sales of the Fit were up 64.0 percent to 29,784 vehicles. And that's before the updated model even arrives."   "We had planned to sell between 30,000 and 40,000 and figured out very early that wasn't enough, so we increased production to 60,000. That still wasn't enough," Mendel said here last week"   So they will shoot for 80K annually in the U.S. when the model starts selling in October. Even then it may not be enough, but there's only so much they can do - they are pulling from a global well of Fit production that is only half a million or so, and is maxed out.   http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080623/FREE/14228425/1528/n- ewsletter01 Replies to this message: ateixeira (Jun 26, 2008 7:48 am) nippononly (Jun 26, 2008 8:37 am) oregonboy (Jun 26, 2008 9:29 am) and 19 more...
#7823 of 8653 Re: Fits are UP [nippononly] by ateixeira Jun 26, 2008 (7:48 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Jun 23, 2008 8:20 pm) Convert existing truck lines for Fit production. Replies to this message: nippononly (Jun 26, 2008 8:37 am) oregonboy (Jun 26, 2008 9:29 am) thegraduate (Jun 26, 2008 9:57 am) nippononly (Jun 26, 2008 10:54 pm) and 17 more...

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