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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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What is this discussion about? Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper

#7812 of 8564 Re: An economical & green Suburban [hudsonthedog] by explorerx4 Jun 06, 2008 (3:23 pm)
Replying to: hudsonthedog (Jun 06, 2008 9:04 am) try the same trip in a snow storm. actually, don't.
#7813 of 8564 Re: Smart fourtwo vs Triumph Speed Triple [snakeweasel] by lilengineerboy Jun 06, 2008 (4:25 pm)
Replying to: snakeweasel (Jun 06, 2008 2:05 pm) Time how fast traffic gets to only 40MPH on a typical commute and you will find it is about 20 seconds so a Smart is more than fast enough for what its designed for.   Man, commuting with traffic must suck. I would rather live closer to work and have a car I enjoy driving.   Yeah try riding the Triumph in 10 degree weather with a strong wind and lots of snow, or when there is freezing rain (or any rain for that matter).   Lets have someone in the For2 try the same thing and report back. The Edmunds videos show how much trouble it has with crosswinds.   Most people I know will laugh at you if you showed up in a Triumph. Plus it will rarely draw a crowd.   Not those in the know. And if they aren't in the know, the probably aren't worth dating anyway
#7814 of 8564 Re: Smart fourtwo vs Triumph Speed Triple [british_rover] by bumpy Jun 06, 2008 (5:34 pm)
Replying to: british_rover (Jun 06, 2008 1:49 pm) So, I'd say, get the Triumph.*   Yeah, except for that whole pesky not having a motorcycle license thing. At any rate, I prefer the best of both worlds.
#7815 of 8564 Re: Smart fourtwo vs Triumph Speed Triple [british_rover] by snakeweasel Jun 06, 2008 (5:53 pm)
Replying to: british_rover (Jun 06, 2008 3:17 pm) that article was really more tongue in cheek   So was my response.   As for your last comment you must not know many motorcycle fans   I know plenty, triumph is not high on their list.
#7816 of 8564 Man no postings in more then a week... by british_rover Jun 21, 2008 (10:29 am)
what is going on in here.   Oh I gotta question that I figure someone in here can answer. Where can you find the raw EPA numbers for a vehicle? I don't mean the 2007 and under numbers I mean the 1985 and under numbers that they use for the CAFE ratings. Replies to this message: bristol2 (Jun 21, 2008 11:40 am) british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 11:47 am) guss (Jun 23, 2008 9:33 am) and 1 more... andre1969 (Jun 22, 2008 2:44 pm)
#7817 of 8564 Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [british_rover] by bristol2 Jun 21, 2008 (11:40 am)
Replying to: british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 10:29 am) Maybe with sales of small cars up 30-40% everyone's figured out that there is nothing 'wrong' with these new subcompacts? Replies to this message: british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 11:47 am) guss (Jun 23, 2008 9:33 am) british_rover (Jun 23, 2008 10:45 am)
#7818 of 8564 Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [bristol2] by british_rover Jun 21, 2008 (11:47 am)
Replying to: bristol2 (Jun 21, 2008 11:40 am) Yeah maybe that is the case.   The reason I am trying to figure out what the raw EPA numbers are is because I assume that is what they use to figure out the tax credits on Hybrids and the new Clean diesel cars. Right now the TDI Jetta isn't on the tax credit list but I assume it will be once they update it sometime next quarter for the 2009 MY vehicles. I am just trying to see if I can get a round guess of what the tax credit will be now. Replies to this message: guss (Jun 23, 2008 9:33 am) british_rover (Jun 23, 2008 10:45 am)
#7819 of 8564 Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [british_rover] by andre1969 Jun 22, 2008 (2:44 pm)
Replying to: british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 10:29 am) I always went here: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/download.shtml to look up those older numbers. You can actually see the raw numbers online (right column) up to 1996, but for 1997 and newer, you have to download the datafile (left column) and it load on your computer as a zip file. My Mac at work will always open it in Excel. Be warned, it's not all that easy to read, but the data's all there.
#7820 of 8564 Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [british_rover] by guss Jun 23, 2008 (9:33 am)
Replying to: british_rover (Jun 21, 2008 11:47 am) The tax credit is based on new technologies, that is why the hybrids qualify and diesels do not, even though they may get better mileage.   The other criteria is how many of a particular model is sold. I think the reasoning is that once you reach a certain number sold , it is not new anymore. Replies to this message: british_rover (Jun 23, 2008 10:45 am)
#7821 of 8564 Re: Man no postings in more then a week... [guss] by british_rover Jun 23, 2008 (10:45 am)
Replying to: guss (Jun 23, 2008 9:33 am) Clean diesels do count under the bill as advanced lean burn engine vehicles and would qualify for the credit. Up until the clean diesel TDI Jetta there were no diesels that met the tier 2 BIN 5 emissions requirement to qualify for the tax credit. The TDI jetta should qualify for the credit but I have no idea how much of a credit it will be. The current EPA test completely screws the Jetta and most likely will do the same too all small diesels. I believe the credit is based off the raw CAFE numbers though and not the EPA numbers.

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