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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8674 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 11:23 PM
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 14, 2008 8:25 am) How did the Sienna and Ody do compared to their own sales last year? I doubt they were really down 20% model by model. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 14, 2008 8:56 am) Odyssey sales have dropped by single-digit percentages for the first quarter, if my fuzzy memory is serving me well. I know Honda just put a lease incentive on Odyssey because of dropping sales. Sienna sales are strong enough that Toyota is considering giving Sienna production more factory space, taking up some now being used to build Tundras that nobody is buying... The 20% drop in minivan sales can be attributed almost solely to the fact that Dodge isn't dumping half a million SWB Caravans per year into the rental fleets any more...by 1-1-07, Ford and GM minivan sales were pretty much bust already, so they had very little effect on the YTD comparisons between this year and last.
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 14, 2008 11:34 am)  Honda has lowered prices on the Ody, I know because they're much lower now than they were in May 2007 when I was minivan shopping. The lower prices have helped them gain market share within the segment, though.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 14, 2008 8:56 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 15, 2008 8:48 am) Dodge Journey Subcompacts anyone? Anyone? |
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Replying to: hudsonthedog (Apr 15, 2008 8:25 pm) Sienna prices are about on par with last year. Ody prices are down. I can't tell you why Ody sales are down and Sienna's are not. It should be the other way around.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 16, 2008 12:59 pm) Yaris sales are more than TWICE what Toyota forecast when it introduced that model. 
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thing about all of these new sub compacts coming out is that the price of a new car is getting to where It is almost reasonable. The Toyota dealers are all advertising Yaris for $12,095. I assume the Fit is maybe $1k more and an Aveo maybe $1k less. I am almost a strickly used car buyer but the sub compact pricing is making me take a look at a new car for myself (wife always gets new) the first time in 25 years. I think I will wait until next year when the Ford Fiesta comes over. If it stays true to the pictures I have seen and the price is in the ball park of the other sub-compacts I think Ford may have a winner. I just have to make sure 3 kids fit in the back with reasonable comfort. |
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Never one to be a naysayer, and one that absolutely loves Ford of Europe vehicles, I too and taking a wait and see attitude. Frankly I will be very shocked if that terrific car is not ruined by the US division of Ford before it arrives here. So I know that sounds contrary to my opening statement , but sadly, that has been my experience with Ford in the US. Why oh Why do they refuse to bring over the simply wonderful cars? I've heard all the excuses (reasons, yeah right) and find them all fabricated. After all the UK has it's own set of very challenging standards that the auto makers must deal with, just like we do here, only different. But NOT different enough that they could not overcome them. After all why is it that we get nice Porsches, Ferraris, Aston Martins, Audis etc? And don't tell me it's about the price otherwise we would not have the very wonderful Mini Cooper S. If BMW can give us the Mini, Ford can give us a few of their very outstanding models designed by Ford of Europe! That said I do have an idea of what it is, and I hate to admit it but I believe that the "average" buyer of cars in that segment in the US could care less about the car. They are buying price, cup holders, colors, and related nonsense. Wow! Look at this car Linda, it has 10 cup holders.......sold. How pathetic, true but pathetic. 
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 16, 2008 12:59 pm) Why? Price? People do base their purchases off of more than just price.
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