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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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Re: What's wrong with this picture? [bumpy] by andre1969
Apr 09, 2008 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Apr 09, 2008 7:41 am)

That same drivetrain won't fare anywhere near as well in the Pontiac G8 GXP next year.
 
Is the GXP going to get the 7.0 liter V-8? That sounds like it would be a wild ride!
 
Actually, given the size of the engine, I think the G8's pretty impressive. The EPA has it rated at 15/24, with the 6.0/automatic. In comparison, a Corvette with the 6.2/automatic is rated at 15/25. It's rated at 16/26 with the 6.2/manual, and the 7.0/manual is rated at 15/24.
 
I'm sure those figures drop pretty quickly once you start having some fun with all that power, though.
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Re: What's wrong with this picture? [andre1969] by bumpy
Apr 09, 2008 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 09, 2008 8:23 am)

Naah, it gets the new 6.2 fron the base Corvette, although rumor is that the 7L will make its way into some HSV models.
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an interesting by nippononly
Apr 14, 2008 (8:25 am)
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editorial in Automotive News today mentions that sales of what they call their "budget class" - consisting of Aveo, Rio, Accent, Yaris, and ForTwo - were up a whopping 33% for the first quarter of the year. Way to go subcompacts!!!
 
Unfortunately, AN classifies cars by starting price range, not by size, so the Fit gets thrown in with the larger compact cars (Cobalt, Focus, Sentra, Elantra, Corolla/Matrix, etc). But the Fit was up by the same % as the other subs from what I remember reading from Honda.
 
The article also mentions that among what it calls "sporty cars", the Mini Cooper was one of only three (out of 33 models in that group) to be up in sales. They call it a sporty car, I call it a subcompact!
 
Compact and midsize cars? Down by about 2.5% each. And as we know, large car sales TANKED. As did SUVs (down 24%), pick-ups (down another 15% even from 2007's dismal performance), and minivans (down 20% - Toyota, Honda, and Chrysler now dominate this segment with 80% of all minivan sales between them).
 
http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080414/ANA06/804140311/-1
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Re: an interesting [nippononly] by ateixeira
Apr 14, 2008 (8:56 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 14, 2008 8:25 am)

The minivan segment is down because GM and Ford now sell them by another name - Crossovers.
 
How did the Sienna and Ody do compared to their own sales last year? I doubt they were really down 20% model by model.
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Re: an interesting [ateixeira] by nippononly
Apr 14, 2008 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 14, 2008 8:56 am)

Oh no, sorry if I implied that, as I didn't mean to.
 
Odyssey sales have dropped by single-digit percentages for the first quarter, if my fuzzy memory is serving me well. I know Honda just put a lease incentive on Odyssey because of dropping sales. Sienna sales are strong enough that Toyota is considering giving Sienna production more factory space, taking up some now being used to build Tundras that nobody is buying...
 
The 20% drop in minivan sales can be attributed almost solely to the fact that Dodge isn't dumping half a million SWB Caravans per year into the rental fleets any more...by 1-1-07, Ford and GM minivan sales were pretty much bust already, so they had very little effect on the YTD comparisons between this year and last.
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Re: an interesting [nippononly] by ateixeira
Apr 15, 2008 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 14, 2008 11:34 am)

Good point about Dodge - they replaced the SWB minivan with the Dodge crossover thingy, why do I always have trouble remembering the name?
 
Honda has lowered prices on the Ody, I know because they're much lower now than they were in May 2007 when I was minivan shopping.
 
The lower prices have helped them gain market share within the segment, though.
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Re: an interesting [ateixeira] by hudsonthedog
Apr 15, 2008 (8:25 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 14, 2008 8:56 am)

Sienna sales are basically flat but Odyssey sales are down 10% year over year.
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Re: an interesting [ateixeira] by thegraduate
Apr 16, 2008 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 15, 2008 8:48 am)

Good point about Dodge - they replaced the SWB minivan with the Dodge crossover thingy, why do I always have trouble remembering the name?
 
Dodge Journey
 
Subcompacts anyone? Anyone?
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Re: an interesting [hudsonthedog] by ateixeira
Apr 16, 2008 (12:59 pm)
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Replying to: hudsonthedog (Apr 15, 2008 8:25 pm)

That's just bizarre.
 
Sienna prices are about on par with last year. Ody prices are down.
 
I can't tell you why Ody sales are down and Sienna's are not. It should be the other way around.
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Re: an interesting [ateixeira] by nippononly
Apr 16, 2008 (6:57 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 16, 2008 12:59 pm)

Fit sales are up 50% over last year at this time.
 
Yaris sales are more than TWICE what Toyota forecast when it introduced that model.

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