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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8564 messages, Last post on Oct 23, 2009 at 10:37 AM
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survey a large group of Corvette owners, and you will get a representative group of driving patterns as well. Someone doing most of their driving on the highway and energetically limiting short trips (as well as watching speed and that sort of thing) will get near the highway rating, which for the Vette is around 30 as mentioned. Very few people have those driving patterns and habits, and the rest will get much closer to 20 mpg in the Vette. In-town use, especially for short trips, is where that big honkin' V-8 will hurt you no matter HOW lazily it operates in the rev range. Under those conditions, the Yaris drivers will still be getting 35 or better and using half the gas. |
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Replying to: bottgers (Apr 08, 2008 12:08 pm) Compare the 'vette to a Honda Insight, perhaps, and you'd have comparable interior space. The Insight would meet your target MPG, too. Having said that, making engines smaller has diminishing returns. Even with a tiny 1.5 liters of displacement, they have to push the same number of airbags and mandatory safety equipment that the Corvette does with 6+ liters.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 09, 2008 6:47 am) |
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Replying to: nwng (Apr 08, 2008 8:58 am)  68bhp/69lbft and tops out with the 1.8 VVT-i gasser 131bhp/127lbft There's a 1.3 VVT-i in the mix also. As I've said before - if you don't have a diesel in your range; your European range is incomplete. My nearest neighbours have the following diesels : Saab 9-5, Ford Focus, Ford Galaxy (MPV), Renault Laguna, Audi A8, Mercedes E and C, old Land Rover and Toyota RAV4 plus my Volvo S60. The other cars are smaller gassers : Citroen Aygo, Peugeot 206, 2 x Honda Jazz (Fit) and an old Renault Clio. Oh and a 20 year old Mercedes S500 which is wonderfully inappropriate. |
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Replying to: bottgers (Apr 08, 2008 12:08 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Apr 09, 2008 7:41 am) Is the GXP going to get the 7.0 liter V-8? That sounds like it would be a wild ride! Actually, given the size of the engine, I think the G8's pretty impressive. The EPA has it rated at 15/24, with the 6.0/automatic. In comparison, a Corvette with the 6.2/automatic is rated at 15/25. It's rated at 16/26 with the 6.2/manual, and the 7.0/manual is rated at 15/24. I'm sure those figures drop pretty quickly once you start having some fun with all that power, though.
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Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 09, 2008 8:23 am) |
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editorial in Automotive News today mentions that sales of what they call their "budget class" - consisting of Aveo, Rio, Accent, Yaris, and ForTwo - were up a whopping 33% for the first quarter of the year. Way to go subcompacts!!! Unfortunately, AN classifies cars by starting price range, not by size, so the Fit gets thrown in with the larger compact cars (Cobalt, Focus, Sentra, Elantra, Corolla/Matrix, etc). But the Fit was up by the same % as the other subs from what I remember reading from Honda. The article also mentions that among what it calls "sporty cars", the Mini Cooper was one of only three (out of 33 models in that group) to be up in sales. They call it a sporty car, I call it a subcompact!  Compact and midsize cars? Down by about 2.5% each. And as we know, large car sales TANKED. As did SUVs (down 24%), pick-ups (down another 15% even from 2007's dismal performance), and minivans (down 20% - Toyota, Honda, and Chrysler now dominate this segment with 80% of all minivan sales between them). http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080414/ANA06/804140311/-1
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 14, 2008 8:25 am) How did the Sienna and Ody do compared to their own sales last year? I doubt they were really down 20% model by model. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 14, 2008 8:56 am) Odyssey sales have dropped by single-digit percentages for the first quarter, if my fuzzy memory is serving me well. I know Honda just put a lease incentive on Odyssey because of dropping sales. Sienna sales are strong enough that Toyota is considering giving Sienna production more factory space, taking up some now being used to build Tundras that nobody is buying... The 20% drop in minivan sales can be attributed almost solely to the fact that Dodge isn't dumping half a million SWB Caravans per year into the rental fleets any more...by 1-1-07, Ford and GM minivan sales were pretty much bust already, so they had very little effect on the YTD comparisons between this year and last.
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