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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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Re: Me, bash huge SUV's? [iluvmysephia1] by ateixeira
Apr 02, 2008 (7:58 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 01, 2008 8:50 pm)

Wow, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!
 
To be fair, about .001% of SUV owners actually do make use of their towing capacity and off road ability.
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Re: Me, bash huge SUV's? [ateixeira] by nippononly
Apr 02, 2008 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 02, 2008 7:58 am)

Actually, I believe it's 5-10% for towing, according to the last numbers I saw. And a much smaller percentage (but not .001%!) for offroad users.
 
And the real problem with the large SUVs, besides the obvious foreign oil implications of their sub-20 gas mileage, is the bumper height disparity with cars, something the NHTSA is derelict in its duty to fix.
 
And andre: yes, it's ultimately the driver responsible, but we have little to no real driver education anywhere in this country, and we can more effectively regulate improvements in vehicle design and mix than we can solve this driver education problem.
 
But when liability insurance for drivers of large trucks and SUVs approaches or exceeds twice the cost of the same insurance for drivers of small cars, it may provide a push for people to think twice about buying the largest vehicles unless they really, REALLY, need them. Gas costs will do the same.
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Re: Me, bash huge SUV's? [nippononly] by ateixeira
Apr 02, 2008 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 02, 2008 9:31 am)

I know, I was just having a little fun with that.
 
I actually had a hitch on my Forester and used it a bunch of times.
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Re: Me, bash huge SUV's? [nippononly] by oregonboy
Apr 02, 2008 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Apr 02, 2008 9:31 am)

the bumper height disparity with cars, something the NHTSA is derelict in its duty to fix.
 
That's a pet peeve of mine, compounded by the bozos who get their trucks "lifted"
 
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oregonboy... by iluvmysephia1
Apr 02, 2008 (10:48 am)
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LOL....I was limiting my rant to just huge SUV's, but, now that you show that picture! Excess, right down to the size of the...ummm...never mind.
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Re: oregonboy... [iluvmysephia1] by andre1969
Apr 02, 2008 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 02, 2008 10:48 am)

To be brutally honest, I see nothing whatsoever wrong with the height of those bumpers. But I'd be willing to check, in person.
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Re: oregonboy... [andre1969] by ateixeira
Apr 02, 2008 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 02, 2008 11:14 am)

That cop ain't bad lookin', but the scene looks more like it's from a B-movie in the, um, adult section.
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Well, that sort of just by iluvmysephia1
Apr 02, 2008 (11:32 am)
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resets us again, right back to...subcompact automobiles. Would you consider a Model T a subcompact, BTW?
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Re: Well, that sort of just [iluvmysephia1] by andre1969
Apr 03, 2008 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Apr 02, 2008 11:32 am)

Would you consider a Model T a subcompact, BTW?
 
Well their wheelbase was around 100", and overall length was about 165". So yeah, definitely subcompact.
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Re: Well, that sort of just [andre1969] by sandbyme
Apr 03, 2008 (5:33 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 03, 2008 5:14 am)

I own a 1927 Model T.
Today, it will get 22-25 miles to the gallon and because of the suspension height and small tires it goes off road just fine. And does up to 50 mph on the road
It could go just about anywhere 99% of these SUVs could go.
Remember, when this thing was built there were virtually no asphalt or concrete roads in America.
With all the supposed technology today....
We cannot build a 4wd today thats gets better gas mileage than a model T?
Please...
We are high on horsepower...

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