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Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper
Jan 13, 2008 (8:49 am)
I didn't mean to offend anyone regarding the small car discussion. IMO, buying a smart, and I'm a $99.00 deposit holder, is not so much about comparisons with other small vehicles. After all the Nissan Versa or the Fit and others are probably a lot more car for the buck and better value. I redcently drove a new Carolla and was blown away at how solid, well made and quick the car was. For me, the smart is about panache and something totally different. Back in 1962 (as you can see I'm old), I bought a Jaguar XKE when no one could get one in the US. Every time I parked that car, I had a swarm of people around the car asking me questions and fawning over it. I paid $6200 for that car but it did my ego about ten million dollars of good. I currently drive a 2008 Prius and don't know in the final analysis whether I will take delivery of my Cabrio or not. I just received an e-mail informing me that my car will be in Florida and ready for delivery in February. Like everybody on these sites, I love cars and just might go ahead with it for kicks. Sailorman
#6869 of 9848 Re: Smart Car [sailorman4]
Jan 13, 2008 (9:56 am)
Back in 1962 (as you can see I'm old), I bought a Jaguar XKE when no one could get one in the US. Every time I parked that car, I had a swarm of people around the car asking me questions and fawning over it.
I definitely think the Smart will do that, but I think if you still had the XKE, it would do that too
Like everybody on these sites, I love cars and just might go ahead with it for kicks
There is absolutely nothing wrong at all with buying a car because you like it, based on what ever criteria you have. I think its cool that you still look for new driving experiences and vehicle types after a lot of years of driving.
If you do get the Cabrio, get a good cap or something with a brim, especially in Florida. The breeze through your hair is a great feeling, but the feeling of skin peeling of a sunburned scalp is sub-optimal (I found out about that on a trip to HI this summer..).
#6870 of 9848 Re: Smart Car [sailorman4]
Jan 13, 2008 (10:44 am)
After all the Nissan Versa or the Fit and others are probably a lot more car for the buck and better value.
While I will agree they are a lot more car the practical side of me asks to I need more car? As a daily commute I cannot even remember when I needed the extra utility that a Versa or a Fit has over a Smart. So with a lower price tag and better mileage a Smart would be better for me as the daily commute.
Jan 13, 2008 (4:16 pm)
have you fallen for the SmartForTwo? Are you gonna buy one?
It was funny to watch Russell Crowe drive a Smart Car in France in the movie 'A Good Day'. It is hilarious! It's a rental car for him and he looks at the car with the most annoyed grinnish-smirshish look. And then the camera follows him as he motors to town and back, etc. I didn't know I was gonna get a look at the Smart Car in this movie so it was a cool surprise. Definitely a different rig, gentlemen. And sub-subcompact, too.
What's wrong with the car? Humm...lack of storage? That's not a good enough reason. Unsafe in an accident? Dunno yet about that. I'll stick with the extra room and what I feel to be good gas mileage of my '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS while Ford works on the new Verve subcompact for 2010 and Chery/Dodge work on the new Dodge Hornet subcompact. It's all about compacts(the Lancer) and subcompacts, but I'm not so sold on the sub-subcompacts like Smart. Or the ZENN-mobile...but I am gonna investigate EV's as the years in the Lancer GTS roll by.
#6872 of 9848 Re: snakeweasel... [iluvmysephia1]
Jan 13, 2008 (8:00 pm)
have you fallen for the SmartForTwo? Are you gonna buy one?
Not sure if you can say I have fallen for it but it is on my list as possible replacement for my daily drive. A few things that will affect my decision are how the car feels when I sit in it, when I drive it, how the mileage stacks up, what she who must be obeyed thinks (most influential variable). But I can easily see it as my daily drive commuter car.
The next two cars we will be buying most likely will be a midsized sedan for the wife for her to use as a daily drive commuter and us to use as a family/vacation car and a small inexpensive high mileage economy car for me as a daily drive commuter car and for me to do some small stuff in. The Smart may fit that very well.
#6873 of 9848 Re: too bad [snakeweasel]
Jan 14, 2008 (6:22 am)
If you time traffic starting from stop light I doubt that it accelerates that fast. We did that once and found traffic tends to get to 40 in 10-15 seconds.
I agree, while there are those people who insist on testing their vehicle's capabilities at every light, most intelligent (and semi-intellingent) people accelerate much more cautiously.
But their vehicles are capable of 0-60 times well under 10 seconds, for the most part.
#6874 of 9848 Re: snakeweasel... [iluvmysephia1]
Jan 14, 2008 (8:23 am)
Interesting, iluv, that you mention the upcoming Verve from Ford. I was trying to get a handle recently on just how big it will be. Is it going to be like the Versa, calling itself a subcompact but in actuality big enough to be verging on compact territory? Or will it be genuinely small?
As for the Hornet, and per recent announcements, the upcoming Demon that will compete with the Miata, I think Chrysler made a mistake in farming out the mechanical development and manufacture to Chery. That's not a collaborative arrangement, that's just an arrangement to buy cars from Chery and sell them in the U.S. with Chrysler Group badges on them.
If that was what they had in mind, I think it would have been better for them to expand the new deal they are going to have with Nissan: they are currently getting set to buy Versas from Nissan (Versa is called Tiida in other countries, so they will be getting rebadged Tiidas) and sell them with Chrysler Group badges in other parts of the world (not the U.S., at least not yet). I think they would be buying into better engineering and better manufacturing standards by going with Nissan.
Edit...it is intriguing to me that sailorman4 is buying the ForTwo (if he goes ahead) just for its differentness and panache. As I recall, Smart was counting on 25% of the sales going to customers just like him, and it appears that they may have had something there...
#6875 of 9848 Re: snakeweasel... [nippononly]
Jan 14, 2008 (3:32 pm)
With all of the talk about the impending release of a batch of new small diesels from Honda and others I simply can't see getting a sub compact produced today. It seems as if we are on the brink of some truly fuel efficient small cars in the very near future and the cars we are offered today aren't that much better than what we have had for the last 15 years. But if we can get some that can get 50 MPG or better in the next three years cars like the Smart simply will be a blip on the radar screen.
#6876 of 9848 Re: snakeweasel... [boaz47]
Jan 15, 2008 (7:59 am)
Weeelll, I will agree with you that the subs we have today are for the most part a relic of the SUV-crazy 90s, and as such the upcoming batch in about two years should be major advances over the current crop. I think the '09 Fit, coming this fall, will be the first of this new wave. Toyota is not in the game with as much heart as it used to be, so I am hoping other automakers will pick up the slack.
I do NOT think we will see any of the smallest cars with diesels for quite a while. You mention Honda, and Honda has no plans for a diesel for the Civic or Fit. They do have plans to produce the CRZ (the next-gen CRX, after a little 15-year break! ) with a hybrid powertrain, and I bet that car will have fantastic gas mileage and superlative handling as well. 50 mpg and top-speed slaloms, here we come.
Honda's diesels will be first for Pilot, Ridgeline, and Accord, and then perhaps for CRV and Element etc. According to their announcement, anyway.
I wish VW would sell the Polo here with a small diesel from Europe. And that Ford would get into the game and bring along one of its own European diesels. Alas, for now, we have no announcements from either...
I wonder if Mini will ever decide to sell the American Cooper with the European diesel. We have the ULSD now, after all. The base Cooper makes good mileage with the gas engine, but it's not great, just good. The diesel could easily exceed it by quite a bit.
#6877 of 9848 Re: snakeweasel... [boaz47]
Jan 15, 2008 (8:19 am)
Probably true, but keep in mind you get diminishing returns.
When you go from 20mpg to 30mpg you get huge savings.
Going from 30mpg to 40mpg doesn't net nearly the same savings.