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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8675 messages, Last post on Dec 02, 2009 at 12:36 PM
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 12, 2007 1:06 am) |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 11, 2007 1:18 pm)  I haven't limited myself to very few ways to appreciate things. I, for one, would rather have Civic Si than Scion tC, for pure involvement factor. You, might prefer to have something with more torque (and easier to drive), perhaps?  If you were impressed with 165 HP/161 lb-ft (old SAE standard) in a 3100 lb Mazda, you shouldn't complain about a 161 HP/162 lb-ft (new SAE standard) propelling a 2950 lb Scion. Is it a car I would pick? No. Its appeal (or lack of) has little to do with the engine being shared with Camry but everything to do with the competition and choices around. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 10, 2007 5:44 pm) You think those same people are going to buy another Mitsubishi?
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Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 12, 2007 11:59 am) Now they are retrying, and in a market that is fiercely competitive. And this might very well be the last attempt to get up and be able to walk. Odds are stacked against the brand, however, with Korean brands on the rise and their aggressive marketing.
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Replying to: robertsmx (Dec 12, 2007 12:03 pm) |
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Replying to: robertsmx (Dec 12, 2007 11:55 am) Oh I definitely agree. I would much rather have a $23k Civic SI sedan than a $16k Scion tC. In fact, I would rather have an almost comparably priced Civic LX sedan than a tC. If you were impressed with 165 HP/161 lb-ft (old SAE standard) in a 3100 lb Mazda, you shouldn't complain about a 161 HP/162 lb-ft (new SAE standard) propelling a 2950 lb Scion. I was more interested in the 220 HP/192 lb-ft (old SAE standard) in the Mazda6 or the 270hp/280 lb-ft MazdaSpeed6. The Scion lacks any advantage over my current Accord, sharing similar acceleration times and handling numbers. I don't place such an emphasis on horsepower or torque, I think the tC, Accord, and Mazda6 are all powerful enough with their 4 cylinder engines (and some more-so with their 6 cylinder engines) but on responsiveness, steering feel, and handling capabilities. The Scion seems to appeal to younger drivers stylistically, and offers good safety features at its pricepoint, as well as Toyota durability. It has its place. |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 12, 2007 12:11 pm) I'd take another look if they offered a 4 door. Prices are dirt cheap! |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 12, 2007 12:11 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 12, 2007 12:11 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 12, 2007 12:17 pm) $16k won't buy you much else, unless you go used. |
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