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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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Re: Those are a lot of straws to be grasping at. [boaz47] by ateixeira
Dec 10, 2007 (3:42 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 08, 2007 11:14 pm)

I'd also pick a Fit over a Civic, because you can't get a Civic 5 door here in the USA.
 
Give me the european Civic 5 door, preferably diesel.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [Mr_Shiftright] by lilengineerboy
Dec 10, 2007 (4:49 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 10, 2007 2:23 pm)

I loved mine. I think the late 80s were a turning point for Mitsubishi, and then the late 90s was a less fortunate one. Now it seems they are regrouping again.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [lilengineerboy] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 10, 2007 (5:44 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 10, 2007 4:49 pm)

Their association with Chrysler screwed them up.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [Mr_Shiftright] by lilengineerboy
Dec 10, 2007 (6:47 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 10, 2007 5:44 pm)

I don't know, some of the early Diamond Star stuff was great. I could just about beat myself silly for not getting an Eclipse GSX/Eagle Talon TSI AWD/Plymouth Laser AWD or Galant VR4 when I had the chance.
I think it was when they killed those cars and came out with the Sebring etc and the Eclipse took on the role I described earlier. Maybe as Chrysler got more control they screwed things up wrong. Yeah I see your point especially towards the end.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [iluvmysephia1] by andeet
Dec 11, 2007 (6:13 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 10, 2007 1:43 pm)

Oh, and andeet, you could have bought a 2006 Mitsubishi EVO IX MR for only $24,000? Whew! I saw one for sale sharing showroom space with the Lancer GTS I ended up buying that was a 6-speed in Silver color selling for $36,000. Brand new but a 2006 model. Don't know if it was an "MR", though. But stevecebu would be interested in that car, if he is gonna make it back to the U.S. anytime soon, too. He is a frequent contributor here on Edmunds over in the Mitsubishi Lancer forums.
 
The dealer that my family buys from had four EVOs on the lot at the time; Nov '06. It was nice, just base Red EVO. I'm thinking they were selling it that low just to get rid of it or maybe it was '05?? I know if I went in there; they would of gotten me even more of a deal. Again, big brother would of killed me and I would of gotten my license taken away within few months for street racing. Cause I know all the locals in their rice burner Civics would challange me and being natural competitive I would of been stupid enough to go for it.
 
It's bad enough with my tC. I get cops staring all the time when I get off of work at 3:30-4:00 am...I'm not even doing 10 over and they still speed up to me.
 
Is Mitsu has plans bringing back the Ralliart Lancer for '08? Cause I'm wondering what Toyota has plans with the replacement of Scion tC? I heard rumors about a Scion xR; a four door sporty, that is Rally insipired to take over in '09? Maybe Toyota's idea for the Ralliart Lancer competitor? tC has been competitor for '04-'06 Ralliarts. I remember my brother comparing the tC's VVT-i with Ralliart Lancer's MIVEC when I let him drive it couple of times. Same power.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [andeet] by lilengineerboy
Dec 11, 2007 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: andeet (Dec 11, 2007 6:13 am)

It's bad enough with my tC.
 
I would think the Camry drivetrain and slushbox would keep that to a minimum.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [lilengineerboy] by andeet
Dec 11, 2007 (6:36 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 11, 2007 6:25 am)

I'm serious about this people think it's least 200 hp when it's barely 160. I had a GTO, BMW try to race me but I just let them go by. My TRD Muffler is just for looks and my personal enjoyment meaning I like hearing it. But when I step on the gas rough...my TRD Cold Air Intake says differ; that's when I'm just letting the horses loose once in a blue moon.
 
There are aftermarket turbos that run for seven grand that could make stock tCs to 310. I'm not that crazy to buy one cause that tC will be hard to keep down on speed.
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Re: Those are a lot of straws to be grasping at. [lilengineerboy] by tiff_c
Dec 11, 2007 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 10, 2007 4:58 am)

The snows are on order. They should be here this week. The RE92s are about half gone so we will put them on the bench for winter and bring them back out in summer. Its not so much I am afraid of losing it in the Subie, (or the Accord, for that matter) but I am totally freaked about some moron in an Explorer (or similar) creaming my Subie and taking out my family.
 
Oh I see yeah, no way would I drive in my area without snow tires on any car including AWD. I prefer Nokian tires and wouldn't swap them out for anything else!
Not much you can do about the other idjits on the road. Most SUV drivers only care when their insurance company won't pay up for their bad driving or when they have to pump gas.
I'm not opposed to SUV's for people who need them, but being in an SUV doesn't guarantee safety. In the snow and ice not much helps.
I wonder how a Mazdaspeed 3 will do in the snow.
The STI looks great but hard to justify the extra $$$$!
The MINI looks great but also has issues especially with the RFT's. All the good choices are coming out next year! Sham I can't wait.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [lilengineerboy] by robertsmx
Dec 11, 2007 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 11, 2007 6:25 am)

And that isn't a bad thing. Makes for a good sleeper (but then, Scion tC isn't exactly supposed to look a sleeper).
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [robertsmx] by lilengineerboy
Dec 11, 2007 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Dec 11, 2007 9:48 am)

There is a difference between being a sleepER and being sleepY.

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