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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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Well how do you like that? by nippononly
Dec 09, 2007 (10:28 pm)
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Subcompact sales up 21% for 11 months ending November this year.
 
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071210/AUTO01/712100330/1148-
 
Compacts down 3% in the same timeframe, full-size pick-ups down some 20%. Hmm, if I wanted to draw spurious conclusions from incomplete data, I wonder what I could come up with here.....?
 

 
(Of course, subcompacts are still under 3% of the overall market, but hey, there's only a handful of models on sale so far!)
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Re: Well how do you like that? [nippononly] by ttai
Dec 10, 2007 (4:05 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 09, 2007 10:28 pm)

As long as the Federal Reserve continue to crash the dollar to save
it's banker buddies, gas will continue to get more expensive. I hate
to be bailing out greedy bankers. But at least it's getting the bloated
unnecessary SUV's off the road. I saw another Suburban upside down
yesterday blocking the highway. How symbolic.
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Re: Those are a lot of straws to be grasping at. [tiff_c] by lilengineerboy
Dec 10, 2007 (4:58 am)
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Replying to: tiff_c (Dec 09, 2007 9:21 pm)

Seriously you leave you AWD car at home?! I mean why do that a decent set of snows and it will tackle anything. Upper New England we have lots of hills and we sure get a lot of snow and I've had RWD cars with good snow tires and no problems. My Rex with snows has gone through weather that stops most SUV's. Now FWD is only good in light snow but with snow tires it's ok as well. Only deep snow is an issue for the subie.
 
The snows are on order. They should be here this week. The RE92s are about half gone so we will put them on the bench for winter and bring them back out in summer. Its not so much I am afraid of losing it in the Subie, (or the Accord, for that matter) but I am totally freaked about some moron in an Explorer (or similar) creaming my Subie and taking out my family.
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As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up by iluvmysephia1
Dec 10, 2007 (1:43 pm)
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on them on the net and in magazine and when it was all said and done the general concensus was that they are generally pretty reliable. shifty said they've improved in the last several years, too(didn't think I would remember you posting that on Edmunds, do ya shifty!!)and that 10 year and 100,000 mile Warranty a la Finbarr O'Neill didn't hurt, either. My Lancer GTS has needed one recall(rear door window sash recall to improve crashworthiness at particular crash impact angles)and it has needed two flat tires repaired in 8 1/2 months of ownership.
 
BTW-I have had some co-workers look me straight in the eye and tell me that my Lancer will last forever. "Forever?", I would ask.
 
"Forever!" was their response. I have had two of them state this and many, many others compliment me on my Lancer GTS package overall. I am someone still learning of Mitsubishi...those comments came the week of the purchase back in March of 2007.
 
I will tell y'all this, I will not hold back in reporting anything and everything about my Lancer GTS for 2008 from Mitsubishi, good or bad. So far I am much more than just pleased with the car.
 
Oh, and andeet, you could have bought a 2006 Mitsubishi EVO IX MR for only $24,000? Whew! I saw one for sale sharing showroom space with the Lancer GTS I ended up buying that was a 6-speed in Silver color selling for $36,000. Brand new but a 2006 model. Don't know if it was an "MR", though. But stevecebu would be interested in that car, if he is gonna make it back to the U.S. anytime soon, too. He is a frequent contributor here on Edmunds over in the Mitsubishi Lancer forums.
 
I think his wife and he were leaning towards a Subie as well but maybe I'll rattle his cage and inquire as to the latest with him. $24,000 sounds like an insider deal and not one for the general public, actually. Do you have inside tracking on deals on new Mitsubishi wheels, andeet?
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [iluvmysephia1] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 10, 2007 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 10, 2007 1:43 pm)

What I posted was results of 3 years of warranty claims as conveyed to me by a Mitsubishi dealer I know. The # and seriousness of the claims was very low. The Mitsus are performing very very well in the field these days. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one to a friend, if they like the style, etc.
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Re: Those are a lot of straws to be grasping at. [boaz47] by ateixeira
Dec 10, 2007 (3:42 pm)
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 08, 2007 11:14 pm)

I'd also pick a Fit over a Civic, because you can't get a Civic 5 door here in the USA.
 
Give me the european Civic 5 door, preferably diesel.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [Mr_Shiftright] by lilengineerboy
Dec 10, 2007 (4:49 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 10, 2007 2:23 pm)

I loved mine. I think the late 80s were a turning point for Mitsubishi, and then the late 90s was a less fortunate one. Now it seems they are regrouping again.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [lilengineerboy] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 10, 2007 (5:44 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 10, 2007 4:49 pm)

Their association with Chrysler screwed them up.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [Mr_Shiftright] by lilengineerboy
Dec 10, 2007 (6:47 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 10, 2007 5:44 pm)

I don't know, some of the early Diamond Star stuff was great. I could just about beat myself silly for not getting an Eclipse GSX/Eagle Talon TSI AWD/Plymouth Laser AWD or Galant VR4 when I had the chance.
I think it was when they killed those cars and came out with the Sebring etc and the Eclipse took on the role I described earlier. Maybe as Chrysler got more control they screwed things up wrong. Yeah I see your point especially towards the end.
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Re: As far as Mitsubishi reliability goes I read up [iluvmysephia1] by andeet
Dec 11, 2007 (6:13 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 10, 2007 1:43 pm)

Oh, and andeet, you could have bought a 2006 Mitsubishi EVO IX MR for only $24,000? Whew! I saw one for sale sharing showroom space with the Lancer GTS I ended up buying that was a 6-speed in Silver color selling for $36,000. Brand new but a 2006 model. Don't know if it was an "MR", though. But stevecebu would be interested in that car, if he is gonna make it back to the U.S. anytime soon, too. He is a frequent contributor here on Edmunds over in the Mitsubishi Lancer forums.
 
The dealer that my family buys from had four EVOs on the lot at the time; Nov '06. It was nice, just base Red EVO. I'm thinking they were selling it that low just to get rid of it or maybe it was '05?? I know if I went in there; they would of gotten me even more of a deal. Again, big brother would of killed me and I would of gotten my license taken away within few months for street racing. Cause I know all the locals in their rice burner Civics would challange me and being natural competitive I would of been stupid enough to go for it.
 
It's bad enough with my tC. I get cops staring all the time when I get off of work at 3:30-4:00 am...I'm not even doing 10 over and they still speed up to me.
 
Is Mitsu has plans bringing back the Ralliart Lancer for '08? Cause I'm wondering what Toyota has plans with the replacement of Scion tC? I heard rumors about a Scion xR; a four door sporty, that is Rally insipired to take over in '09? Maybe Toyota's idea for the Ralliart Lancer competitor? tC has been competitor for '04-'06 Ralliarts. I remember my brother comparing the tC's VVT-i with Ralliart Lancer's MIVEC when I let him drive it couple of times. Same power.

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