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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8666 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 7:53 PM
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Replying to: robertsmx (Dec 07, 2007 5:15 pm) Unfortunately, a lot of people's first vehicle is a Tahoe or Suburban so in their minds a 2nd vehicle HAS to be a full size 4 dr pickup because you never know when you will have to pull a mobile home or put a Clydesdale in the bed of your truck.
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Replying to: dromedarius (Dec 08, 2007 10:32 pm) If I lived in the city I can see why someone might get a Fit but as a second car a Civic would seem more practical. The Yaris is still just a touch homely for me and doesn't offer much over the Corolla as a second car. The Civic and the Fit get the same fuel mileage and yet you get 31 HP more with the Civic. Plus I think you can buy aftermarket parts at the local 7/11. Pep boys and Auto zone stock cold air intakes for Civics on their shelves. If fuel mileage is your goal get a Hybrid or even a hybrid Civic. For me I am beginning to think a good second car would be a Rav4 or a Impreza Hatchback. It snowed last night and I don't feel much like putting chains on the FWD sedan. I will be looking for another 4x4 truck next week. |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 08, 2007 6:53 am) My oldest sister owns '04 Galant...she already has 115k miles on it. She's been in two accidents with it. She never had problems with it. They are good cars: in fact when I was shopping for my tC. My sales consultant and I were talking about Mitsubishi's. First thing; she told me about them was "They are built like Japanese tanks." She used to sell them so I know she knew what she was talking about. Our family has VERY good business relationship with our local Mitsubishi dealer since we did buy six cars from them. I bet if I was to lose my tC, I had to buy new car with major negitive...they would find a way to get me into Mitsu. I don't hate them. I actually wanted to buy Lancer EVO when I was shopping for better car. But I figured it would of been very hard to learn stick-shift on one of them. I wasn't worried about Insurance; I was more worried about what big brother would of said ( jealously), how quick I would need to buy new clutch, and how soon my sales consultant (who sold me both my Scion's. We became good business friends doing both deals) would kill me. LOL I could of gotten '06 EVO RS for $24k at the dealer about 4 grand more than my fully loaded accessory tC.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 08, 2007 11:14 pm)  The reason I like the Fit is the utility, and while the Civic currently gets 30 more HP it won't when the next generation Fit comes out. Plus the Fit will allow me to put my 100 lb. dog in the back in her kennel when I take her to the vet; can't do that w/a Civic. I've never been convinced by hybrid technology and until I am I won't spend the $5000 premium. I get better mileage w/my Prizm than many people get w/their a hybrid and economics come into play at some point. Why would you need chains??? I've never driven w/chains and we have bad weather from November to April. A FWD sedan is your BEST bet when the roads get nasty.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 08, 2007 11:14 pm) But for 99% of the people they don't need AWD even in their primary vehicle. |
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Replying to: andeet (Dec 09, 2007 6:30 am) No worries, just gotta realize what makes it a better buy for your might not make it a better buy for others. Its cool you have something that meets your needs and you feel good about driving. |
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Replying to: dromedarius (Dec 09, 2007 7:45 am) So if I were going to travel much and might get caught in the winter at the Very least I would want a 4X4 and a AWD second car. With the snow we got last night I wasn't going anywhere till the ice melted with our FWD sedan. Are you telling me the Fit is already looking to add 31 more HP next time out? Sort of proves a point.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 09, 2007 3:49 pm) Our AWD wagon and FWD sedan will stay parked until the ice melts in SE MI. The freeways were fine but our sub-division (and especially our street and driveway) were frightening. I wouldn't want to be out there without snows. |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 09, 2007 4:09 pm) |
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 09, 2007 3:49 pm) No, the Fit is adding about 12 HP because they are switching from the old VTEC engine to the new iVTEC. There will still be a 20 HP gap. The current Fit engine is already an old one and the next generation one is more fuel efficient and on par w/the more powerful Civic engine, which is bigger for a bigger car. So if I were going to travel much and might get caught in the winter at the Very least I would want a 4X4 and a AWD second car. With the snow we got last night I wasn't going anywhere till the ice melted with our FWD sedan. Granted, if one were going to drive a lot in the mountains I would advise AWD. In any case if you are driving places where you transfer case is dragging then you are driving when and where you shouldn't be. And if you shouldn't be driving w/one car you shouldn't be driving w/two.
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