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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8653 messages, Last post on Nov 27, 2009 at 6:22 PM
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 07, 2007 5:30 pm) Its a link on the main page titled something like "see MPG from drivers like you" If you price out both of them with comparable equipment, that is base Smart with AC & power steering, vs. Base Fit with those items standard, I regret to say that the Honda comes out to be $128 more, The base Smart with radio, A/C and power steering comes in at around a grand less than the fit and it has stability control and traction control which I believe the standard Fit does not have. Seems for a second commuter car the Smart would be a better car than a Fit.
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Is a strange thing. It reminds me of people that are into sports. I see the reasoning but for the most part it has never caught me. I do have prejudices however I know. I have never forgiven VW for the three examples they produced and I happened to buy. It may not have been the cars themselves as much as their sales and service but they have more than likely lost me forever. And sales and service is about people more than about the machine or product. Still getting back on track we can see that there is no universal consensus as to the correct size vehicle. Most consumers prefer something in the Accord Camry size and that is unlikely to change over the next ten years. I am sure as a society we will prefer that they work harder on improving the fuel mileage to our favorite sized vehicles to us switching to smaller less comfortable vehicles. Yes, sub compacts may be practical and the Smart may even be practical to some but US consumers are more interested in comfort, and a bit more power. That is why the xD has more power than the xA and the xB got more power as well. Us consumers also like their SUVs and trucks and that isn't likely to change either. Trucks and SUVs may have to change but they have changed some already. For the last few years trucks have simply been getting bigger it may be time they got smaller as SUVs seem to be getting. But that is a far cry from switching to sub compacts. |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Dec 08, 2007 7:56 am) The SMART sounds like it needs traction control badly in snow, from what I've read, so that's a good thing for it to include. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 08, 2007 8:15 am) Edmunds, Base Smart is about $11,500 A/C, radio and power steering add about $1500 to it making about 13K. The Fit starts at just under $14K, you do the math.
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Dec 08, 2007 8:29 am) SMART with AC power steering and radio is $13815 FIT with same options (plus more features that are standard) is $14316 So we are $500 difference for a faster, bigger, more freeway capable subcompact car with a great reputation and dealers all over the world. No contest IMO.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 08, 2007 8:43 am) While we are drawing similarities (second car, fuel economy, size, price etc), the more I think about it, the more contrast I see between Fit and Smart. Smart fails badly in the utility aspect, while I would get Fit over even an Accord for that reason alone! |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 08, 2007 8:43 am) |
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Replying to: andeet (Dec 08, 2007 4:52 am) This is all part of the buyers happy experience, a satisfied customer is what the companies strive for "true believers" in their products. My wife likes the Scion xD. I think she'd be better off with a Civic but she really wants a MINI (unlikely to get one) But it's great when you can really enjoy what you own. For me I buy cars for the long haul. My friend gets bored quickly with cars once they are out of warranty or sooner he trades them in. we all have brands we like and brands we hate. I have brands I will never buy again, others maybe and some of course. Mitsubishi has come a long way but they still have work to do to make a full comeback. Glad you enjoy your tC, 
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Replying to: robertsmx (Dec 07, 2007 5:15 pm) Unfortunately, a lot of people's first vehicle is a Tahoe or Suburban so in their minds a 2nd vehicle HAS to be a full size 4 dr pickup because you never know when you will have to pull a mobile home or put a Clydesdale in the bed of your truck.
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Replying to: dromedarius (Dec 08, 2007 10:32 pm) If I lived in the city I can see why someone might get a Fit but as a second car a Civic would seem more practical. The Yaris is still just a touch homely for me and doesn't offer much over the Corolla as a second car. The Civic and the Fit get the same fuel mileage and yet you get 31 HP more with the Civic. Plus I think you can buy aftermarket parts at the local 7/11. Pep boys and Auto zone stock cold air intakes for Civics on their shelves. If fuel mileage is your goal get a Hybrid or even a hybrid Civic. For me I am beginning to think a good second car would be a Rav4 or a Impreza Hatchback. It snowed last night and I don't feel much like putting chains on the FWD sedan. I will be looking for another 4x4 truck next week. |
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