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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8570 messages, Last post on Nov 11, 2009 at 6:06 PM
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 07, 2007 8:01 pm) Nope, not that's not what I said (or meant) at all. I'm sorry you wrote an entire post based on a wrong assupmtion, but I mean in the sense that the Lancer's styling is very up-to date, but so heavily "STYLED" that I'm afraid it will look dated in 10 years. I like it today, but will I feel about the Lancer in 2018 the way I feel about the Chrysler Concorde, Oldsmobile Aurora, or any Pontiac? None of these three cars were bad looking in their time (in fact, all were good looking to me), but they look pretty dated to me these days. The Lancer looks great now, but in ten years I wonder if it'll look silly, or still look "current." Not that it matters a great deal, but since we were on the subject of designs, I figured I'd bring it up. You got my post misconstrued however, I haven't questioned Mitsu's reliability in the least (I don't have enough experience with them to have formed an opinion).
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 07, 2007 2:59 pm) No doubt the Lancer GTS looks very nice and the EVO X hands down is a great looking car. The GTS really needs an extra 20HP for me to consider it. The lowly base 2.5i AWD Impreza has 170HP and 170TQ. Of course it's a slug due to AWD drivetrain loss but in the GTS it'd be a rocket. I drive a LOT of highway and for me I need to to cruise well and be peppy in the city. mitsubishi agrees which is why they are upgrading the engine to get more sales from buyers who want a bit more performance. The new STI looks pretty good to me. The WRX is an example of what a car should Not be. |
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 07, 2007 8:01 pm) I think he means the looks will look outdated in say 10 years. The quirky or oddball stuff or cute stuff can just lose it after a while like the PT Cruiser or the new Beetle. So far the new MINI is going strong but in another 10 years? Some cars just have the lines to stand the test of time like the older corvettes the '53 Vette fro example. There is no way to predict what will be the most awesome desirable design 20+ years from now. If you could lots of Classic cars would have been bought up when they were $500.  Don't worry about it. You like your Lancer, it makes you happy to drive it and that's all that matters.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Dec 07, 2007 8:17 pm) I do agree that beautify is in the eye of the beholder, as one of my favorite cars of all time is the Audi Quattro, and that car is so very 80s looking its not even funny. |
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Replying to: tiff_c (Dec 07, 2007 9:01 pm) My other siblings (which is quite funny: Our Dad likes only GM. But my oldest sister and my older brother likes only Mitsubishi's. While my second older sister and I likes our Toyota's.) My brother just got '08 Lancer. Nice car if you like the "fun stuff" (accessories,) 1.5 liter engine stinks (Remember I'm used to my 2.4 161hp VVT-i), 18in alloys stink in the winter (he had very scary spin in the car's first snow storm), his front hood has rock chip that already is rusting? My tC is pushing 62k miles and I have some rock chips but they yet to become rust like his. I heard from Scion fan sites that Mitsu's are famous for terrible paint. Sorry Mitsubisi owners (I used to own '00 Galant)...I guess Toyota made me into Toyota Buyer Monster 
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Replying to: andeet (Dec 08, 2007 4:52 am) So you left a 8w bulb on for 8 hrs and it did or did not kill the car? That has much more to do with the age of the battery than anything to do with the car at all, and it sounds like it still died? My brother just got '08 Lancer. Nice car if you like the "fun stuff" (accessories,) 1.5 liter engine stinks (Remember I'm used to my 2.4 161hp VVT-i), I thought you had to get the 2.0l 150 hp Lancer GTS to get the 18" wheels. Anyway, I am impressed you could notice the 2 tenths of a second difference from 0-60. I was wondering if you also noticed the Scions' 60' additional stopping distance, or the lower skidpad and cornering numbers. Also, if you are into sporty looking coupes, perhaps it would be better to compare the Eclipse as opposed to sedan. I think while the Mitsu and Scion are both trying to look sporty, the Civic actually is somewhat sporty. I heard from Scion fan sites that Mitsu's are famous for terrible paint. Makes you wonder what they say about the Scion on the Mitsu sites, no? Sorry Mitsubisi owners (I used to own '00 Galant). My '89 Mitsubishi Galant(car of the year at the time) was around the 180 or 190k mark when I got the '96 Contour SE MTX in '98. The biggest repair it had was a clutch replacement for $450. And that old Galant gave 2k towards the Contour's 10k price.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 07, 2007 5:30 pm) Its a link on the main page titled something like "see MPG from drivers like you" If you price out both of them with comparable equipment, that is base Smart with AC & power steering, vs. Base Fit with those items standard, I regret to say that the Honda comes out to be $128 more, The base Smart with radio, A/C and power steering comes in at around a grand less than the fit and it has stability control and traction control which I believe the standard Fit does not have. Seems for a second commuter car the Smart would be a better car than a Fit.
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Is a strange thing. It reminds me of people that are into sports. I see the reasoning but for the most part it has never caught me. I do have prejudices however I know. I have never forgiven VW for the three examples they produced and I happened to buy. It may not have been the cars themselves as much as their sales and service but they have more than likely lost me forever. And sales and service is about people more than about the machine or product. Still getting back on track we can see that there is no universal consensus as to the correct size vehicle. Most consumers prefer something in the Accord Camry size and that is unlikely to change over the next ten years. I am sure as a society we will prefer that they work harder on improving the fuel mileage to our favorite sized vehicles to us switching to smaller less comfortable vehicles. Yes, sub compacts may be practical and the Smart may even be practical to some but US consumers are more interested in comfort, and a bit more power. That is why the xD has more power than the xA and the xB got more power as well. Us consumers also like their SUVs and trucks and that isn't likely to change either. Trucks and SUVs may have to change but they have changed some already. For the last few years trucks have simply been getting bigger it may be time they got smaller as SUVs seem to be getting. But that is a far cry from switching to sub compacts. |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Dec 08, 2007 7:56 am) The SMART sounds like it needs traction control badly in snow, from what I've read, so that's a good thing for it to include. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 08, 2007 8:15 am) Edmunds, Base Smart is about $11,500 A/C, radio and power steering add about $1500 to it making about 13K. The Fit starts at just under $14K, you do the math.
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