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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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What is this discussion about? Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper

#6495 of 8666 Re: Interesting Discussion! [Mr_Shiftright] by boaz47 Dec 07, 2007 (12:56 pm)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 07, 2007 8:28 am) Maybe but if the "if everyone got 2 mpg better" argument was valid it would be a heck of a lot easier for me to get 2mpg gallon better average in a 3/4 ton truck than it would for a Fit to find another 2MPG average.   Using the logic that if we all only got just what we needed then a person that switched to a Fit, Edmunds rates the base Fit at 28-34, from a base Corolla, rated by Edmunds at 28-37 will be wasting 3 MPG uselessly. Obviously you don't need a smaller car getting less fuel mileage. So if we only got just what we needed we could all drive Corollas. In fact a Fit driver would seem like a gas guzzler to a Yaris driver. If you are getting 34-40 MPG in a Yaris how do you justify giving up 4 to 6 mpg out of want rather than need? Not only that you tossed more money out the door because the Fit costs more. Even the Smart doesn't list their fuel mileage higher than a Yaris on their web site. So all we all need is a Yaris, and really dark glasses so we can't see each other.   If someone has the money to spend on a Hummer it is their money, they worked for it, in most cases, and if they want to give it away it isn't our task to suggest that we have a better use for it. It is no different than getting a 911 or a Z06. It is no different than buying a power boat. You and I both know that a Viper is a fuel miser compared to 2 Yamaha 200 HP outboard let alone 4 Volvo Pentas. But even in that industry there are those who will toss their money out on a $300,000.00 sail boat and complain about how much fuel the 150K speed boat uses.   Maybe the best choice is what someone said in the forum on what your car says about you. I don't car all that much what someone else drives. And I don't care that much about what someone else thinks about what I should drive. Looking at the number one selling vehicle in the US I would say that is a majority opinion. Replies to this message: lilengineerboy (Dec 07, 2007 1:03 pm) Mr_Shiftright (Dec 07, 2007 1:04 pm) robertsmx (Dec 07, 2007 1:58 pm) Mr_Shiftright (Dec 07, 2007 2:25 pm) andre1969 (Dec 07, 2007 3:02 pm)
#6496 of 8666 Re: Interesting Discussion! [boaz47] by lilengineerboy Dec 07, 2007 (1:03 pm)
Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 07, 2007 12:56 pm) And I don't care that much about what someone else thinks about what I should drive.   I think that is the issue he is getting at. His argument is that you are only thinking about yourself and not about society, the environment, your country, etc. You are picking something that is good for you, even though it is detrimental to everyone else.   I'm not saying people should be told what to drive, just trying to frame the argument.
#6497 of 8666 Re: Interesting Discussion! [boaz47] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Dec 07, 2007 (1:04 pm)
Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 07, 2007 12:56 pm) Yes your argument has weight in that really we should always look at GALLONAGE, not MPG. If a person switches from a 4X4 V-8 truck to a Honda Fit, their gallonage will decrease significantly, whereas if they switch from an Audi A4 to Honda Fit, the gallonage decrease will not be impressive.   The "majority" is always behind the curve or the trend. That's why they are the majority. They are among the last to know when something has changed.
#6498 of 8666 Re: The fact is that I bought the car [dromedarius] by tiff_c Dec 07, 2007 (1:21 pm)
Replying to: dromedarius (Dec 07, 2007 12:50 pm) Personally, I don't understand why so many people are so concerned about vehicle comfort. Granted, some people have long commutes, but most of us spend very little time in a car relative to everything else we do. Conversely I never hear people complain about how uncomfortable their chair at work is.   My back is screwed up, too much heavy lifting, more than a few falls and not much they can do about it. So of course I need a comfortable car. I travel extensively for my work and no way do i want to drive 5 + hours in an uncomfortable car. I don't need a huge SUV but really great seats are a priority. I really need AWD as some of the areas I travel don't get great snow maintainance. But you can't have everything. Spend about 1.5 million miles driving over the years and seat comfort is going to be waaaaaay up on your list believe me. If I just drove 5K miles a year it might not matter so much. My Miata was comfortable and did well in the snow. But too impractical for the driving I did. Highway cruisers are not city cars like your Geo which was a rebadged Suzuki I believe, not a bad car if it fits you and you are happy with it. I like a performance car and I also need a comfortable seat. No Civics for me thank you.   As far as my work chair goes I bought my own and took out the monstrosity they wanted me to use. I either drive a desk or a car, both need to be comfortable. If you screw up your back severely you'll understand. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Dec 07, 2007 1:31 pm) tiff_c (Dec 07, 2007 1:41 pm)
#6499 of 8666 Re: The fact is that I bought the car [thegraduate] by tiff_c Dec 07, 2007 (1:25 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Dec 07, 2007 12:45 pm) Thanks tiff, I had left it out by mistake. I was looking at the sidebar of this discussion and saw the Versa, Yaris and Fit, and forgot about the xD.   No sweat, there are so many cars available out there now . I just would like to see the ability to put at least a Recaro seat for the driver and not screw up the airbags. Be easier to justify a few cars I might like to buy if I could get a Recaro seat and not void any warranties or change the safety.
#6500 of 8666 Re: The fact is that I bought the car [tiff_c] by ateixeira Dec 07, 2007 (1:31 pm)
Replying to: tiff_c (Dec 07, 2007 1:21 pm) That is a funny point. How much time do we really spend in our cars? At most 2 hours a day?   Yes we spend 8 hours in the office. How many of us went out and bought an uber-expensive executive office chair?   The auto industry has done a GREAT job marketing all this stuff, convincing us we need it.   Another example: do you have keyless entry in your home? I have a 6CD changer in my car, yet a single CD player at home. I spend a lot more time at home, however.   It's all brilliant marketing. Replies to this message: tiff_c (Dec 07, 2007 1:41 pm)
#6501 of 8666 Re: The fact is that I bought the car [dromedarius] by andre1969 Dec 07, 2007 (1:34 pm)
Replying to: dromedarius (Dec 07, 2007 12:50 pm) Personally, I don't understand why so many people are so concerned about vehicle comfort. Granted, some people have long commutes, but most of us spend very little time in a car relative to everything else we do. Conversely I never hear people complain about how uncomfortable their chair at work is.   That's because in my chair at work, I can adequately stretch my legs out if I need to. I can also get up and walk around, stretch, etc. I can push the keyboard to the computer to a comfortable distance from me. I can raise or lower the chair as I need to fit under the desk.   It also kinda helps that my company bought me a $560 or so ergonomic chair.   My uncle's Corolla starts to annoy me after about 10 minutes worth of driving. My legs cramp up, it gives poor thigh support, and I find myself leaning inward because of the way the roof slopes in.   Now truth be told, I probably could deal with this car for most of my driving needs. I'm close enough to work that 10 minutes is actually a long commute! But still, why subject myself to that kind of torture when I don't really need to? Replies to this message: ateixeira (Dec 07, 2007 1:36 pm) snakeweasel (Dec 07, 2007 3:32 pm)
#6502 of 8666 Re: The fact is that I bought the car [andre1969] by ateixeira Dec 07, 2007 (1:36 pm)
Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 07, 2007 1:34 pm) Here at work, we found out if you call the health folks you can get one of those bad boys for free (they pay). The next day a bunch of us called complaining about sore backs!   I still have a "low budget" chair, though. Replies to this message: snakeweasel (Dec 07, 2007 3:32 pm)
#6503 of 8666 Re: The fact is that I bought the car [ateixeira] by tiff_c Dec 07, 2007 (1:41 pm)
Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 07, 2007 1:31 pm) That is a funny point. How much time do we really spend in our cars? At most 2 hours a day?   I envy them! I really do! Somedays it's 8 hours of driving total, 4+ hours then figure out why some piece of machinery that was custom made is now all wonky. The 4+ hours drive back. Then of course it has to be fixed poste haste and so often I have to get the part back up there since it's always critical. I slept in my office more than most I'll wager.   Yes we spend 8 hours in the office. How many of us went out and bought an uber-expensive executive office chair?   Mine was pretty darn expensive but it beats 6 months of therapy in a swimming pool which I do not have time for.   Another example: do you have keyless entry in your home? I have a 6CD changer in my car, yet a single CD player at home. I spend a lot more time at home, however.   Meet George Jetson.... His boy Elroy.... Jane his wife! I rarely listen to the radio or CD's. i like peace and quiet when I drive, only if I am super tired do I put of stuff to keep me awake.   I do agree it's really a great marketing ploy but a great Nav system pays for itself. I used to use Maps Rand McNally but too much hassle after a while. I still keep road maps as a backup but some gizmos are worthwhile. If you drive a lot those little map lights allow the driver to drive with less distraction while the passenger fiddles with something. Most stuff is a waste like climate control. I don't even have A/C in my house
#6504 of 8666 In my opinion... by andre1969 Dec 07, 2007 (1:46 pm)
there's comfort, and then there's marketing. The difference is that when a commerical tells you it's comfortable, then it's marketing. If your ass tells you it feels comfortable, then it it's comfortable!

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