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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8691 messages, Last post on Dec 04, 2009 at 1:39 PM
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Replying to: tiff_c (Dec 07, 2007 12:39 pm)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 07, 2007 12:12 pm) Personally, I don't understand why so many people are so concerned about vehicle comfort. Granted, some people have long commutes, but most of us spend very little time in a car relative to everything else we do. Conversely I never hear people complain about how uncomfortable their chair at work is.  I actually think my Prizm is comfortable (6 ft+ 200 lbs) but it is just a tool which gets me to and from work. I value the economy, low maintenance costs and ease of parking. Cars are bad places to stick your money anyway, so it never made much sense to me to stick anymore money into it than I have to. I actually chose it because it had a MT, no PW and no PL. Of course these are just my feelings, but as much as I like cars I have never become accustomed to how strongly people feel about their vehicles and how many creature comforts they expect. 
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Replying to: thegraduate (Dec 07, 2007 12:35 pm) See, I could never go out with a girl with a Corolla in the first place. 
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Dec 07, 2007 12:52 pm)  (Mom had a Lexus GX470 and dad drove an assortment of Audi's since he was a GSM at a local Porsche-Audi dealer). |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 07, 2007 8:28 am) Using the logic that if we all only got just what we needed then a person that switched to a Fit, Edmunds rates the base Fit at 28-34, from a base Corolla, rated by Edmunds at 28-37 will be wasting 3 MPG uselessly. Obviously you don't need a smaller car getting less fuel mileage. So if we only got just what we needed we could all drive Corollas. In fact a Fit driver would seem like a gas guzzler to a Yaris driver. If you are getting 34-40 MPG in a Yaris how do you justify giving up 4 to 6 mpg out of want rather than need? Not only that you tossed more money out the door because the Fit costs more. Even the Smart doesn't list their fuel mileage higher than a Yaris on their web site. So all we all need is a Yaris, and really dark glasses so we can't see each other. If someone has the money to spend on a Hummer it is their money, they worked for it, in most cases, and if they want to give it away it isn't our task to suggest that we have a better use for it. It is no different than getting a 911 or a Z06. It is no different than buying a power boat. You and I both know that a Viper is a fuel miser compared to 2 Yamaha 200 HP outboard let alone 4 Volvo Pentas. But even in that industry there are those who will toss their money out on a $300,000.00 sail boat and complain about how much fuel the 150K speed boat uses. Maybe the best choice is what someone said in the forum on what your car says about you. I don't car all that much what someone else drives. And I don't care that much about what someone else thinks about what I should drive. Looking at the number one selling vehicle in the US I would say that is a majority opinion. |
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 07, 2007 12:56 pm) I think that is the issue he is getting at. His argument is that you are only thinking about yourself and not about society, the environment, your country, etc. You are picking something that is good for you, even though it is detrimental to everyone else. I'm not saying people should be told what to drive, just trying to frame the argument. |
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Replying to: boaz47 (Dec 07, 2007 12:56 pm) The "majority" is always behind the curve or the trend. That's why they are the majority. They are among the last to know when something has changed. |
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Replying to: dromedarius (Dec 07, 2007 12:50 pm) My back is screwed up, too much heavy lifting, more than a few falls and not much they can do about it. So of course I need a comfortable car. I travel extensively for my work and no way do i want to drive 5 + hours in an uncomfortable car. I don't need a huge SUV but really great seats are a priority. I really need AWD as some of the areas I travel don't get great snow maintainance. But you can't have everything. Spend about 1.5 million miles driving over the years and seat comfort is going to be waaaaaay up on your list believe me. If I just drove 5K miles a year it might not matter so much. My Miata was comfortable and did well in the snow. But too impractical for the driving I did. Highway cruisers are not city cars like your Geo which was a rebadged Suzuki I believe, not a bad car if it fits you and you are happy with it. I like a performance car and I also need a comfortable seat. No Civics for me thank you.  As far as my work chair goes I bought my own and took out the monstrosity they wanted me to use. I either drive a desk or a car, both need to be comfortable. If you screw up your back severely you'll understand.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Dec 07, 2007 12:45 pm) No sweat, there are so many cars available out there now . I just would like to see the ability to put at least a Recaro seat for the driver and not screw up the airbags. Be easier to justify a few cars I might like to buy if I could get a Recaro seat and not void any warranties or change the safety. |
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Replying to: tiff_c (Dec 07, 2007 1:21 pm) Yes we spend 8 hours in the office. How many of us went out and bought an uber-expensive executive office chair?  The auto industry has done a GREAT job marketing all this stuff, convincing us we need it. Another example: do you have keyless entry in your home? I have a 6CD changer in my car, yet a single CD player at home. I spend a lot more time at home, however. It's all brilliant marketing.
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