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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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What is this discussion about? Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper


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Re: before this goes [Mr_Shiftright] by texases
Dec 06, 2007 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 06, 2007 8:49 am)

Those aren't sales or orders, those are refundable deposits
 
Two reasons they could sell out this year with no long-term implications:
1. It's new - just about every new thing/fad has huge, temporary demand that quickly goes away.
2. The "PS3 flip" syndrome - folks were lining up to buy PS3 at release with no intention of owning/using them, just selling them on Ebay. A failed strategy in most cases.
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Re: before this goes [texases] by oregonboy
Dec 06, 2007 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Dec 06, 2007 1:05 pm)

off topic: my younger daughter successfully flipped 2 Nintendo Wiis last Christmas season for a tidy profit. Let's hear it for a young entrepreneur identifying and exploiting a mismatch between supply and demand in our market economy.
 
On topic: don't you hate it when car dealers do that with ADM stickers?
 
james
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Re: before this goes [oregonboy] by texases
Dec 06, 2007 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: oregonboy (Dec 06, 2007 1:30 pm)

What's sauce for the goose...
 
I hear he could still do that this year with the Wii...no chance with a PS3!
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Re: before this goes [texases] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 06, 2007 (2:03 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Dec 06, 2007 1:05 pm)

You might flip a Smart for a few bucks if you catch that narrow window...but unless the deposit receipts are salable and tranferable, or unless you have a dealer's license, you're going to have to pay sales tax before you flip, so there goes that profit--if you take possession of the car.
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Re: before this goes [Mr_Shiftright] by snakeweasel
Dec 06, 2007 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 06, 2007 8:49 am)

that Daimler is looking to test an EV Smart in American cities (suggesting that the gas car is not delivering the expected economy?)
 
How does testing an EV version suggest that the car is not delivering the expected economy?
 
In 10 years, in 37 countries,
 
Have they been in all 37 country all ten years?
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Re: Those are a lot of straws to be grasping at. [Mr_Shiftright] by snakeweasel
Dec 06, 2007 (3:59 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 06, 2007 9:45 am)

Not a horrible figure, but horrible enough to lose money since the Smart was introduced. It's NEVER MADE MONEY!
 
Smart has lost money but has the Twofor lost money? Remember that up to recently Smart had the Fourfor and the roadster which my understanding sold very poorly. It could have been that those two models were big losers and the Twofor has actually made money.
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Re: Those are a lot of straws to be grasping at. [dromedarius] by snakeweasel
Dec 06, 2007 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: dromedarius (Dec 06, 2007 11:33 am)

It's almost as expensive as a Fit or Yaris and doesn't have near the interior space w/little to no mileage improvements.
 
Its a bit less expensive than the Fit or Yaris. If it gets the promised mileage it will blow away the Fit or Yaris in that aspect.
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Re: Interesting Discussion! [dromedarius] by boaz47
Dec 06, 2007 (4:17 pm)
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Replying to: dromedarius (Dec 06, 2007 6:47 am)

Sorry, but there is no real virtue to buying one petrol consuming product over another. Except in ones own mind. You can also bet your pocket protector that getting a bigger vehicle is simply a wants based purchase. Getting a smart will not be needs based because there are plenty of vehicles getting Smart mileage and providing more utility. The converse of large vehicle people getting a status symbol is micro car self righteousness. The foolish believe that on a global scale the people in China will care one whit what you saved so they can buy from the same people we do. Europe and Asia have had small cars for as long as we have had big cars and has fuel consumption gone down in one of those areas? When Europe decided to promote diesel what happened? Air quality went down and oil prices still went up. So if Europe's move to small cars has had not real effect and Asia's small cars have had no real effect. And even the Asian cars imported to the US has had no real effect.
 
"Save the planet, buy small cars" is nothing more than Chicken little saying the sky is falling. This whole forum has proved that people buy sub compacts because they like sub compacts not because they get the best fuel mileage or are the least expensive to buy.
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Re: Those are a lot of straws to be grasping at. [snakeweasel] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 06, 2007 (4:38 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Dec 06, 2007 4:04 pm)

How so? A Yaris can pull 38-42 mpg on a good day. I think at 75 mph the Yaris might blow the Smart away. We'll see.
 
RE: Why does mention of an EV suggest disappointing fuel mileage? Well, if you were producing a gas car that got 75 mph, why would you market an electric, with shorter range and slower speeds? Or a diesel for that matter? (no advantage).
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Re: Those are a lot of straws to be grasping at. [Mr_Shiftright] by snakeweasel
Dec 06, 2007 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 06, 2007 4:38 pm)

According to the EPA the yaris gets 36 highway 29 city far below the expected 40 (or more) city that the smart is supposed to get.
 
Well
 
Well nothing there is a push for EV no matter what, does Toyota making a EV RAV 4 suggest disappointing fuel mileage? No it didn't. It would seem you are making something out of nothing.
 
There is a small demand for EV's that will grow as they grow in range. Any manufacturer would be smart to test EV versions of at least some of their cars to pave the way to go into full production once technology reaches the point where it will be reasonable to mass produce Ev's.

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