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Automotive News & Views What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?
8674 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 11:23 PM
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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 04, 2007 6:01 pm) I think part of it is that the SUVs and the big 4x4 trucks tend to trip more and roll when they spin out on the snow. Minivans tend to be a few inches lower to the ground so maybe that helps them mostly stay upright. Just speculating, since there's no snow here to go play in, darn it. |
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Replying to: ttai (Dec 04, 2007 7:04 pm)
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Replying to: texases (Dec 04, 2007 7:53 pm) 
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 04, 2007 8:23 pm) "Camo seat covers come with car"
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Replying to: texases (Dec 05, 2007 8:10 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 05, 2007 8:17 am) The reason some people like 4x4 is because it is easier to use. You don't need chains most times, snow tires will do. You don't even need studs and the people at the chain check will simply wave you through. But like Andre said it most often encourages people to take more chances. I live in the mountains and have had AWD, RWD, FWD and 4x4 and at least for the mountains 4x4 works best. You will notice that the CHP, Cal Trans, Edison, and even the Fire Department tends to send their 4X4 equipment out on the days it snows. AWD might be the second best but as has been mentioned ground clearance is the bigger factor. I have many friends from the mid west that assure me with snow tires they can drive on snow and ice with a RWD as well as any 4x4. Might work where it is flat but they can't get up my street even with Chains. But I will admit I have seen sub compact AWD Justys on snow covered roads where I wouldn't have expected them. And my second best snow car was a Subaru that I bought shortly after I moved up here. Still in the snow and ice you are simply a target for all the bigger cars piloted by the drivers Andre described. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 04, 2007 8:23 pm) I mean, you can't tell a Honda V6 from a Ford V6 nowadays.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 05, 2007 10:14 am)  james |
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We just got our first snow of the season last week and I was reminded of my mortality when I got fly-bys in my Chevy Prizm by consecutive Chevy Tahoes. We had 70 some accidents in town that night but thank goodness none of my family or friends were in any of them. God have mercy on the person who gets in the way of those crazy people! I've driven on snow since I got my driver's license, going on 17 years, and I'm convinced the ever larger vehicles are the LAST thing our roads need. If you use the logic a lot of big vehicle purchasers use, it's "all about safety", (like someone else pointed out, at the expense of the poor), we'd all drive big rigs. Our little CR-V gets us around just fine in the nasty weather we get in these parts, which is as bad as any in the country, and while my little Prizm isn't exactly fun to drive on the worst days, it does it's job 350+ days out of the year. I've heard very few good justifications of people owning large vehicles. "I hunt" (or "I have two kids") is not good enough, since no one hunts alone and it seems like EVERY member of the group has a Suburban for that one reason when they could all carpool with one guy, which is what they end up doing anyway! My personal opinion is the reason they have it is as a status symbol to sit beside their other new vehicle, both of which are parked with the new boat and new motorcycle inside the soon to be repossessed new house.
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Replying to: dromedarius (Dec 05, 2007 1:24 pm) With no low range and no more ground clearance than your CR-V or Prism has you simply can't get as far down the road in the snow as I can in my lifted 4X4. I just get stuck farther from help than you do. 
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