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Nissan Versa, Toyota Yaris, Honda Fit, smart fortwo, MINI Cooper
Oct 22, 2007 (5:49 am)
BTW...if you go to the Honda Fit forum, you'll find out that anyone buying Fits are paying MSRP because of the high demand that's been ongoing since the summer of 2006. Give me an example of any other car that sells at MSRP with no incentives after almost 1 1/2 years? Li
MINI Cooper S is another car like that and it has been selling at or very close to MSRP for over five years now. Another sub-compact too... hmhhhhh
#5542 of 9848 Re: simple questions [boaz47]
Oct 22, 2007 (5:49 am)
We don’t need to know, we just need to watch.
Forget about making a top ten best seller list, because that doesn’t necessarily imply a permanent problem, otherwise anything that doesn’t make it to top ten would be deemed “struggling”. Nobody is saying smaller cars have taken over, but let us not discount the trend. Smaller cars have made a come back, and it becomes more apparent every time gas prices rise, or stay close to $3/gallon. That has also translated to smaller SUVs. The traditional best sellers have been dropping off the sales charts. The current best selling SUVs are: CR-V, Escape and RAV4. Who would have thought that, about ten years ago? In fact, Honda was hesitant to bring CR-V to the USA. What happened?
The car world isn’t in as much gloomy state, but the more people understand the utility aspect and don’t feel threatened by bigger vehicles on the road, the more small cars will make inroads. They already are. Things don’t change overnight but in just a few years, I expect greater proliferation as more automakers get serious.
In the US Sub compacts come, get more power, grow and have to be re-introduced every few years. Look at Scion. The were introduced right in the middle of the sub compact revolution and the xA is already replaced with a more powerful version. What happened to paying attention to the rest of the world?
These vehicles aren’t growing from small to large overnight. They are being tweaked for several reasons. For example, the new Fit will be slightly larger (not taller or wider but a little longer with a longer wheelbase). It is still smaller than the little 5-door Civic hatchback from the early 1980s. And it is a global car. So, the changes aren’t being done for USA, it is being done with global market in mind. Part of it is ever changing standards towards increasing active and passive safety of the cars and people around them. Fit would be a fitting example.
ACE structure requires a few tweaks to the front, and ACE isn’t something to simply enhance cabin integrity, it is primarily designed to improve pedestrian safety and safety of a smaller vehicle. These, besides regulatory changes, require changes to dimensions.
Sure, over decades these cars could be bigger, but then there will be something smaller introduced to take over. It only reinforces the idea that you can’t do away with small and practical cars. BTW, Fit is what City has always been (“City” moniker is still used for Fit derived sedan form in Asia). So, the small car has been around for quite a while, even though, Fit as it is was launched in June 2001 (and a little over a year ago in North America).
I have been to the government green vehicle site and the Fit is not one of the cleanest vehicles listed and whatever I might think of the government site it is the only thing we can use to compare apples to apples with.
Consider the fact that the current Fit is in its seventh year of design cycle. Besides, the “government green” follows criteria that I don’t understand. If you do, tell me about it. Could you list cars that I can buy in Texas that are “greener” than Fit? But then, is that the point of small cars, to be the greenest of all? If it is, then is the point of largest cars to be the dirtiest?
Size doesn't determine "greenness" by government standards if you must live by the word. As I proved above, by definition, 268 HP Accord V6 is greener than Ford Escape Hybrid. Do you disagree? What did it take for the non-hybrid and powerful Accord to be one of the "greenest vehicle" in America?
In the top 10 best selling vehicles in the US is the Fit listed? If the answer is no then how far behind the Cobalt is it? If it were one of the top selling cars in Japan is it still and why isn't it in the US?
Let us visit a Honda and a Chevrolet dealership together with a color/transmission combination in mind, and see which of the two we will find on the lot, available with a hefty discount. That might tell you something.
#5543 of 9848 Re: Fit [bobw3]
Oct 22, 2007 (5:50 am)
#5544 of 9848 Re: Fit [british_rover]
Oct 22, 2007 (5:51 am)
darn. beat me by a minute. ;b
Oct 22, 2007 (5:53 am)
I love my MINIs.
#5546 of 9848 Re: Fit [british_rover]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 22, 2007 (6:12 am)
I'm gonna have to buy one. I just can't stand it any longer. As someone who spends a LOT of time in a car, the MINI makes sense for me. Comfortable, lots of leg room, fun to drive, great on gas, VG build quality and a resale value that would shame any other car.
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#5547 of 9848 Good WSJ article on subcompacts
Oct 22, 2007 (6:26 am)
Take a look at today's WSJ article on subcompacts. More a world report, showing them as the growth category, problem for Nissan (subject of the article): How to build them cheap enough.
Oct 22, 2007 (6:30 am)
I think I said over a year ago that the MINI was the right kind of car for you. I have always been pretty good at figuring out what the right kind of car for a person is. They don't always listen to me though.
#5549 of 9848 Re: Fit [british_rover]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 22, 2007 (7:02 am)
But I DID listen to you--I just never received your "Down Payment Courtesy Assistance Check".
Oct 22, 2007 (7:09 am)
Must have gotten lost in the mail.