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Re: TCH for family of 5? [tbone0526]
by wvgasguy
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May 09, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: tbone0526 (May 08, 2008 12:25 pm)
I don't think though that the TCH is any tighter in the back than any other mid size sedan. About all sedans I've seen lately seem like they are curved for the two outer passengers and the middle is not quite as comfortable. I do have a car seat in the back and it doesn't take up any more room than a larger person would. Two adults and a child in the middle have been more than acceptable for comfort.
Yes an SUV is great, but I don't see the TCH having any defeciencies that other sedans don't have.
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Re: TCH for family of 5? [tbone0526]
by suzemc
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May 10, 2008 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: tbone0526 (May 08, 2008 12:25 pm)
thanks- we already own an Odyssey (that I LOVE) and will be keeping, however need better MPG for all the driving I do. with the price of gas going up, with no end in sight, I think now is the time. we live in the bay area in CA and we seem to get hit with the highest gas prices first- its hovering around $4 where we are. UGH! I won't have all 5 of us all the time, but need to know if its possible when I do!
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Re: TCH PRICING [limestone22]
by wardco
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May 11, 2008 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: limestone22 (May 09, 2008 10:10 am)
I grew up in Carthage, NY, sister still lives in Watertown. Think the TCH will be OK in the snow? I was thinking of a Prius for myself in the Pittsburgh, PA area, got turned off by the stories of poor traction in the snow.
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Why Not Lower Priced Models
by pianoman1949
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Jun 18, 2008 (8:33 am)
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As we all know, the cost of a hybrid is very expensive. My question is this: Why does Toyota (or car manufacturers) have to have the upper model eg. Camry as their only model available as a hybrid?
I certainly don't need sunroofs, GPS's and a lot of other bells & whistles that come with most of these cars. Can't they just use Corollas or cheaper models? No, they wouldn't be making the money they are right now. Always the same thing...the bottom line...Thanks
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Re: Why Not Lower Priced Models [pianoman1949]
by loves2read
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Jun 18, 2008 (8:51 am)
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Replying to: pianoman1949 (Jun 18, 2008 8:33 am)
there are hybrids available w/o leather or nav systems--those were most of the ones on lots that we saw when we were looking for one in DFW area--
they won't make one in Corolla because you can get a 4 cyl that has excellent milege anyway...
they SHOULD make one for RAV4
there is better battery storage room there than in Camry really
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Re: Why Not Lower Priced Models [pianoman1949]
by shazam3
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Jun 18, 2008 (1:48 pm)
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Replying to: pianoman1949 (Jun 18, 2008 8:33 am)
Toyota doesn't make a hybrid version of Corolla because it would be competing with the Prius. The Camry is in a different bracket than the Prius due to size.
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Re: Why Not Lower Priced Models [pianoman1949]
by lzc
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Jun 19, 2008 (4:14 am)
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Replying to: pianoman1949 (Jun 18, 2008 8:33 am)
Toyota loaded up their hybrid models with optional equipment because they wanted the profit on the options to help offset the cost of the hybrid system. This was especially true in early years, when volume production was just beginning.
I think they feared people wouldn't buy a basic hybrid LE model. The extra cost of the hybrid system would be very visible, and very expensive.
Now, with hybrids in demand and batteries in short supply, they have no incentive to change things, I'm afraid.
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Re: Why Not Lower Priced Models [lzc]
by nkaizer
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Jun 19, 2008 (5:32 am)
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Replying to: lzc (Jun 19, 2008 4:14 am)
So because I have a loaded TCH, not only can I get the credit for reducing my own carbon footprint, but I also can claim credit for subsidizing more economic-minded purchasers of stripped-down TCHs since Toyota makes so much more profit on mine, so as to allow them to build and sell a stripped-down TCH. I know it sounds like communism, plain and simple, but I'm happy to subsidize as many stripped-down TCHs as possible with just a few dollars for the necessities of life; leather, moonroof and Navi (even though the Navi sucks).
Support America, get more hybrids and small cars (i.e., Corolla, Yaris, etc.) on the road!
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Re: Why Not Lower Priced Models [pianoman1949]
by kdhspyder
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Jun 19, 2008 (10:23 am)
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Replying to: pianoman1949 (Jun 18, 2008 8:33 am)
You are right it is just about business. Now at this time the largest number of buyers that want hybrids also want other amenities along with better fuel economy. A former Lexus or BMW buyer or Sequoia or Tahoe defectors want certain amenities in their vehicles. If they are willing to pay for them as they normally are then it's just good business to supply the more profitable demand.
Here's an alternate viewpoint. Toyota and Honda and Ford and GM have all reached an understanding not to intrude on each other's turf ( til now ) as the hybrids begin to reach the consciousness of the general population.
Honda has the basic small vehicle hybrids
Toyota and Ford have the midsized hybrids, but they don't compete directly against each other.
GM has the big truck-based hybrids.
But to address your specific need there is a base model Camry Hybrid which has about the same equipment as an LE Camry. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles and it's priced at about $25500-$26000.
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Re: Why Not Lower Priced Models [loves2read]
by kdhspyder
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Jun 19, 2008 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: loves2read (Jun 18, 2008 8:51 am)
there are hybrids available w/o leather or nav systems--those were most of the ones on lots that we saw when we were looking for one in DFW area--
they won't make one in Corolla because you can get a 4 cyl that has excellent milege anyway...
they SHOULD make one for RAV4
there is better battery storage room there than in Camry really
...but then that hybrid would compete against the Ford Escape Hybrid, wouldn't it?
Actually I think the OP will be happy next January when Toyota presents it's hybrid outline for the next 6-10 yrs.
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