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#31 of 3174 Re: TCH on ebay [lanceq] by otis1 Jan 19, 2006 (8:05 am)
Replying to: lanceq (Jan 19, 2006 7:29 am) Are you saying that the Camry Hybird will not benefit from the 2006 tax credit?   I should have clarified.... The camry will come out later this year and most likely buyers will also benefit from the tax credit. I was implying that the tax credit will help sell more priuses because demand was starting to taper off (no more waiting lists etc). The camry hybrid will most likely sell out this year with or without the tax credit. If there were no tax credit, I think prius sales would have slowed down- especially this first quarter. also because of the tax credit, I think people "panic" bought priuses trying to be 1 of the first 60,000 buyers (even though that wasn't necessary) when they may have put of their decision to consider the CH.
#32 of 3174 Tax Credit by lanceq Jan 19, 2006 (8:19 am)
Thanks to all for the rapid and knowledgeable responses to the tax credit question. It sounds like maybe we can utilize the tax credit if we purchase early. I would hope that Toyota would issue a certificate along with the bill of sale that qualifies the purchased Camry for a tax credit.   Good luck to us on this hybrid advantage. Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Jan 19, 2006 2:24 pm)
#33 of 3174 Re: yet to be determined, but probably will be added [larsb] by otis1 Jan 19, 2006 (8:19 am)
Replying to: larsb (Jan 19, 2006 7:52 am) In a related topic, it will be VERY interesting to see how Toyota hybrid sales fare AFTER the 60K is gone and the tax credit is no longer an incentive for 2006 buyers.   the tax credit gets phased out, 50% then 25%. so even TCH buyers will still benefit from some form of the tax credit. when the tax credit is completely phased out (probably sometime after Q3 2007), we'll start seeing incentives on some of the older hybrids because competition from other manufacturers will step up- and those other manufacturers will have the added benefit of the tax credit since they are "behind" in sales compared to toyota. Replies to this message: jrock65 (Jan 19, 2006 8:41 am)
#34 of 3174 Re: yet to be determined, but probably will be added [otis1] by jrock65 Jan 19, 2006 (8:41 am)
Replying to: otis1 (Jan 19, 2006 8:19 am) Also, the amount of tax credit will be lower for the Camry hybrid relative to the Prius
#35 of 3174 Re: Hybrid Camry [midnightcowboy] by otis1 Jan 19, 2006 (9:06 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jan 18, 2006 8:52 am) I have never ever seen a more flimsy way to justify a slow car. So now performance includes emission and consumption...Well all I can say the Camry's is like a NASCAR compared to a Prius. I was just talking about the camry hybrid with a friend of mine who owns a prius. we were talking about performance vs FE and he said, "oh and what's that sports car honda makes that's a hybrid?" and I responded, "do you mean the accord hybrid?" he said, "no, that's not it... it's the.... oh yeah, the insight..." I just had to pause for a second. I guess performance takes on a new meaning to hybrid owners   Don't take this as me making fun of hybrids. I like hybrids I just thought that was a funny story. I drove the prius and think the power is adequate for normal day-to-day driving so the camry should be just fine. HOnestly, I don't see why a commuter car weighing less than 3500 lbs needs more than 200hp. Replies to this message: muskyfever (Jan 19, 2006 9:14 am) midnightcowboy (Jan 19, 2006 12:40 pm)
#36 of 3174 larsb is spot on - Prius sales and the CH by toyotamover Jan 19, 2006 (9:21 am)
All of the points that larsb made in his post about how the CH will not hurt the Prius are exactly right. I especially agree with the point the Prius buyers like to show off their "greenness" by driving a car that can only be recognizable as a Hybrid. That is one of the reasons the Highlander Hybrid has not taken off (mileage being another obviously). I run a high volume Toyota dealership and can tell you the Hybrid buyer is concerned about our dependency on foreign oil, pollution and the environment and getting that statement out there to the masses. One of the ways they do that is by driving a Prius.   I also had to laugh at the statements about tax savings. Tax savings are one of the furthest reasons people buy the Hybrids. It is not about them savings money - they would buy a Corolla if that was the case - it is all about promoting and practicing their beliefs. Prius people rarely ask about the tax savings and have expressed to me many times that it doesn't matter to them and they would buy the car without a penny of help from the government. The tax savings is merely a bonus for them.   The Hybrid Camry will do very well as well will the Prius. The first CH we get in silver with Nav will be in my driveway for the next 5-10 years.   Brian
#37 of 3174 adding to my last post... by toyotamover Jan 19, 2006 (9:28 am)
We have sold two new Prius already this morning and both buyers knew about the upcoming Camry Hybrid but wanted the design and the better fuel savings of the Prius. Oh and neither mentioned the tax savings. One did ask when the Solara Convertible like the one on our showfloor was coming out in a Hybrid version   Brian Replies to this message: kdhspyder (Jan 19, 2006 2:36 pm)
#38 of 3174 Re: Hybrid Camry [john1701a] Performance [midnightcowboy] by dewey Jan 19, 2006 (10:45 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jan 18, 2006 2:22 pm) Yes Midnightcowbody you have made your point quite well about what performance is. Your definition is similar to mine and I am not here to dispute your definitions.   BUT if I wanted performance/handling I would choose among the many non-hybrid rear wheel drive sports sedan/coupes that are currently available.   The current and soon to be selection of hybrids are not what I would call performance cars. The new hybrids from Lexus (LS and GS) are more slushbox luxury cruisers than real sport sedans. The hybrid Honda Accord's driving dynamics are hindered by its front wheel drive platform. And all hybrids are not great in handling since they are bogged down by their extra weight.   The reason I am buying the Camry hybrid is not because of my wants(performance/handling) but because of my family needs(roomy, fuel efficient, reliable).   Also I am a great admirer of the Toyota HSD system and the company's efforts in cutting emissions/fuel consumption.   My current gas consuming BMW 3 series is great for solo driving but the "ultimate driving experience" becomes NIL when I have my children complaining about a lack of space and then bangling my seat with their legs.   That is why I need two different cars. The hybrid Camry to satisfy my needs and the BMW to satisfy my wants. Currently there is not a single car in the market today that satisfies both my needs and wants.
#39 of 3174 Re: yet to be determined, but probably will be added [larsb] by otis1 Jan 19, 2006 (8:17 am)
Replying to: larsb (Jan 19, 2006 7:52 am) In a related topic, it will be VERY interesting to see how Toyota hybrid sales fare AFTER the 60K is gone and the tax credit is no longer an incentive for 2006 buyers.   the tax credit gets phased out, 50% then 25%. so even TCH buyers will still benefit from some form of the tax credit. when the tax credit is completely phased out (probably sometime after Q3 2007), we'll start seeing incentives on some of the older hybrids because competition from other manufacturers will step up- and those other manufacturers will have the added benefit of the tax credit since they are "behind" in sales compared to toyota.
#40 of 3174 Re: Hybrid Camry [john1701a] Performance [midnightcowboy] by dewey Jan 19, 2006 (10:45 am)
Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jan 18, 2006 2:22 pm) Yes Midnightcowbody you have made your point quite well about what performance is. Your definition is similar to mine and I am not here to dispute them.   BUT if I wanted performance/handling I would choose among the many rear wheel drive sports sedan/coupes that are currently available.   The current and soon to be selection of hybrids are not what I would call performance cars. The new hybrids from Lexus (LS and GS) are more slushbox luxury cruisers than real sport sedans. The hybrid Honda Accord driving dynamics are hindered by its front wheel drive platform. And all hybrids are not great in handling since they are bogged down by their extra weight.   The reason I am buying the Camry hybrid is not because of my wants(performance/handling) but because of my family needs(roomy, fuel efficient, reliable).   Also I am a great admirer of the Toyota HSD system and the company's efforts in cutting emissions/fuel consumption.   My current BMW 3 series is great for solo driving but the great driving experience becomes NIL when I have my children complaining about a lack of space and bangling my seat with their legs.   That is why I need two different cars. The hybrid Camry to satisfy my needs and the BMW to satisfy my wants.

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