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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jan 17, 2006 1:07 pm) My satisfaction with a hybrid Camry will be based on how its mileage will compare to EPA estimates(unlikely to be identical but hopefuly not way off). Especially since most my driving is city driving (EPA city = 43 mpg). But my main attraction is the HSD technology itself! |
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Replying to: dewey (Jan 17, 2006 12:53 pm) I disagree. I own a 97 Camry LE V6 and it is very fast and a lot of fun to drive. After I put on some sports tires the cornering is also very good. I expect the new Camry Hybrid to be equally fast. The new sports version Camry SE V6 should really be a blast and worthy of any sporty driver (short of a BMW M3 that costs twice as much!). But of course it's not good for your wallet at the pump. |
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The pricing for the new Camry has not been announced. It's a fun game to try to guess the new pricing table for the 2007 Toyota Camry. I assume that: 1. the new prices are the same as the old prices; 2. the hybrid trim level (apart from the hybrid engine) is halfway between the LE and XLE trim level; 3. the additional price of the hybrid engine over the 4 cylinder version is $2750. That would give a price for the 2007 Toyota Camry hybrid of $24325 MSRP (without destination charge and options). This would be a nice value price and position Toyota well against the competition. |
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Replying to: ej0 (Jan 17, 2006 1:53 pm) When the only tool a person has in his tool box is a hammer, all problems look like nails. A Camry is a very nice car, but it is not sporty! Double Sixes, MidCow
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Replying to: dewey (Jan 17, 2006 12:53 pm) Their goal is to convince you that the definition of "performance" does not include emissions or consumption. Because when you look at what they are driving, those aspects are not anything to be proud of. In fact, their pollution & waste is down right embarrassing. Just look at the 0-60 acceleration speeds. Every few years, the acceptable rate changes... despite the fact that road conditions haven't. What has happened is the ceiling was exceeded awhile ago, but they had no other benefit to sell you... so they kept changing the acceleration even though an improvement was completely unnecessary. Reducing smog-related emissions is an aspect performance. Reducing fuel consumption is an aspect performance. Don't let the antagonists persuade you to believe they aren't. JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Jan 18, 2006 6:13 am) I have never ever seen a more flimsy way to justify a slow car. So now performance includes emission and consumption. Well all I can say the Camry's is like a NASCAR compared to a Prius. The acceptable rate of 0-60 mph for the past 20 or so years is in the 8-9 second range. Some cars, even SUVs are now a second or so faster, but the acceptable range is still in the 8-9 second range. The new 2007 hybrid Camry will meet this requirement. The Prius at 10.5-11.3 seconds does not meet the 0-60 acceleration rate averages that have been established for nearly two decades. To try and bring in polution and gas mileage as an excuse for poor perfromance is ludicrious. Cheers, MidCow
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I cant wait to have the car below parked on my driveway, hopefully by late spring. The link below provides more riveting details about the hybrid Camry CAMRY HYBRID NEWS     
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jan 18, 2006 8:52 am) It always has. All aspects of how a vehicle performs is what makes up its "performance". You cannot choose which ones to include and which ones to disregard... as you are attempting to do. So what exactly is your definition? Based on your previous response, it appears as though acceleration alone is the only feature of performance. JOHN |
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jan 18, 2006 8:52 am) Ignoring them is denial, and most definitely not objective. JOHN
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Replying to: john1701a (Jan 18, 2006 1:51 pm) Cars have gears and transmissions not power transports and power split devices. Performance basic 101 metrics: 0-60 mph time in seconds 5-60 mph time in seconds ( rolling start more realistic) 50-70 mph (passing time) in seconds 0-1/4 mile time in seconds and end speed in mph. Saloom time in seconds Braking time in distance for ( 60mph, 70mph, 80mph) Performance does not include pink foofoos, green content or mpg. And the Toyota poster child of HSD ( the Prius) is not a performance car! However, Toyota has gained some wisdom and the 2007 Camry Hybrid will actually perform at a reasonable, acceptable level of 0-60 mph in less than 9 seconds. Why doing so it obtains very good mileage ( not a perfromance characteristic) of 43/37. What does that mean and where will the buyers for the 2007 Camry Hybrid come from? Well for one they will take away almost all of the potential Prius customers, except the hypermilers and grandmothers. Other people looking for reasonable performance and reasonable mileage will choose the 2007 Camry Hybrid. Again I will repeat "polution" and "gas mileage" are not metrics that have anything to do with a car's acceleration performance, stopping ability or handling. Double Sixes, MidCow P.S.- It kinda makes you sad to see Toyota kill it's own Prius golden goose with a better mousetrap- 2007 Camry Hybrid. |
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