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Re: 2007 Saturn Vue Greenline Hybrid [stevedebi] by scottnewvue
Apr 05, 2006 (5:33 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 04, 2006 12:15 pm)

I thought about that as well, but if the tax credit will basically take care of any extra cost for the Hybrid and GM has had this type of technology for a few years in a couple of vehicles, I am not worried. Besides, that's what warranties are for PLUS Saturn has a 30 day return policy that includes my new VUE Greenline. I've had two Saturn's in the past and both were great. I have no worries about this one. As for MPG, any increase is helpful these days, even if it's only 5 mpg.
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I rented a V6 Vue by logic1
Apr 05, 2006 (6:23 am)
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the other day. I averaged around 18 mpgs city, 23 or so highway. I think the hybrid will do a lot better.
 
With the tax cut you will also do pretty well on price.
 
The re-designed VUE is a nice people and cargo hauler. The Saturn stereo has to be the easiest to operate of any I've seen since the push button a.m. only models that went out in the 70s.
 
I would leave the dash unit in, upgrade with a nice aftermarket amplifier and speakers. Options would have to include the internal bike rack and sun roof.
 
All in all, it would be a pleasant vehicle to use for extended drive/bike camping trips.
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Green Line - no way by ems1
Apr 05, 2006 (11:01 am)
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I have a 2003 Vue with the VTi/CVT transmission. These transmissions were a disaster for GM and anyone who bought them since resale value is in the toilet. GM had so many failures it was discontinued after 3 years.
I liked the size of the Vue, that's why I bought it, but I would not risk my hard earned $ again on unproven GM technology. It takes them 5 years to get a product perfected, if ever.
 
A few years ago, I saw a segment on Autoline Detroit, a GM representative stated, "the VTi transmission was going to be in their future hybrid cars." The hybrids from nearly every manufacturer have fuel saving CVT transmissions and they can figure how to make them reliable. What do you get in the Saturn hybird? A 20 year old 4 speed automatic. Is this the best they can do? It's really sad.
 
The vehicle I traded for my Vue was another GM failure. A Venture minivan with the 3.4 engine with the head gasket failures. I traded that dog for a Saturn because they gave me about $1,000 more for a trade in than the other dealers. I should have bought a Highlander.
 
Inferior products and low resale value, this is why GM's market share is in freefall!
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Re: Green Line - no way [ems1] by stevedebi
Apr 05, 2006 (11:50 am)
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Replying to: ems1 (Apr 05, 2006 11:01 am)

I test drove this very car, a 2003 with I4 and iCVT. I thought the engine was too weak and the transmission too noisy. I went with the Honda CR-V. However, if Saturn had been using the Honda V6 (they started in 2004), I would have bought the Vue. But I didn't want a GM V6.
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Re: 2007 Saturn Vue Greenline Hybrid [scottnewvue] by stevedebi
Apr 05, 2006 (11:53 am)
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Replying to: scottnewvue (Apr 05, 2006 5:33 am)

"...and GM has had this type of technology for a few years in a couple of vehicles, I am not worried."
 
I have not heard of this technology being used on GM vehicles prior to the Vue. I think the GMC Sierra hybrid uses a more conventional hybrid system, centered on batteries.
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Re: Green Line - no way [ems1] by logic1
Apr 05, 2006 (1:15 pm)
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Replying to: ems1 (Apr 05, 2006 11:01 am)

The hybrids from nearly every manufacturer have fuel saving CVT transmissions and they can figure how to make them reliable. What do you get in the Saturn hybird? A 20 year old 4 speed automatic. Is this the best they can do? It's really sad.
 
The VUE will be priced far more reasonably than other hybrids and will get the best in class mpgs.
 
If the other technology is so much better, one would hope it would win in one of the categories.
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Re: 2007 Saturn Vue Greenline Hybrid [stevedebi] by scottnewvue
Apr 05, 2006 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 05, 2006 11:53 am)

According to the folks that have tested the Hybrid VUE in real world conditions and averaging 31.9 mpg(!) this hybrid system is just a smaller version used in those larger trucks. The battery in those trucks are there to use mostly electricity but the VUE system is using a smaller version of that electric system (39 volt battery I think) to help save gas and only allow limited hybrid use. And according to those reviews that I read, the system is smooth and performance is only enhanced by the hybrid system, especially when an extra boost is needed to pass cars, etc. GM is placing this system in the Malibu soon after the VUE. I just don't believe that this is a 'nontested' system that the VUE is going to be a guinea pig for. GM is in enough trouble if this doesn't work out, I doubt they would play roullette with one of their best car line ups in years. Just my opinion.
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Re: Green Line - no way [stevedebi] by logic1
Apr 05, 2006 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Apr 05, 2006 11:50 am)

I went with the Honda CR-V. However, if Saturn had been using the Honda V6 (they started in 2004), I would have bought the Vue. But I didn't want a GM V6.
 
The VUE I drove the other day had the Honda V6. I found it noisy and underpowered compared to the GM V6 in the Cadillac CTS I rented about a month before.
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Re: Green Line - no way [logic1] by stevedebi
Apr 05, 2006 (2:10 pm)
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Replying to: logic1 (Apr 05, 2006 1:16 pm)

"I found it noisy and underpowered compared to the GM V6 in the Cadillac CTS I rented about a month before."
 
What kind of MPG did you get from that $38,000 CTS, as compared to the MPG from the $25,000 VUE?
 
I don't think these two vehicles can be compared.
#42 of 75
Re: 2007 Saturn Vue Greenline Hybrid [scottnewvue] by stevedebi
Apr 05, 2006 (2:15 pm)
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Replying to: scottnewvue (Apr 05, 2006 1:16 pm)

"The battery in those trucks are there to use mostly electricity but the VUE system is using a smaller version of that electric system (39 volt battery I think) to help save gas and only allow limited hybrid use."
 
Here is a partial repost of #16 of this forum. The bottom line is that this system does not provide propulsion at all. It does releive the engine from powering an alternator, which provides a small boost in torque.
 
It is my understanding that the GMC Sierra uses large batteries, not this system. I haven't heard of it's use before the Green Line Vue.
 
http://tinyurl.com/btnu2
  
"How Does It Work?
The BAS concept is to replace the belt driven alternator with an electric motor that serve as a generator and a motor. Thus when the engine is running the motor, and acting as a generator, the system will charge a separate 36 volt battery. When the engine needs to be started, the motor then applies its torque via the accessory belt, and cranks the engine instead of using the starter motor.
  
In this scheme, the motor/generator can be made larger than a standard starter motor so more torque can be generated when in the motoring mode. This allows for quicker starts of the engine, and makes the start/stop operation possible. Stopping the engine while vehicle is at idle is a means to conserve fuel. The disadvantage to this type of system is that you notice the engine starting and stopping. The control system for this technology so far has been somewhat crude in comparison to the full hybrid engine startups and for some people it could be annoying.

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