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http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/01/13/behind-the-scenes-creating-the-chevrolet-- camaro-concept/ Interesting pictures.
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Replying to: navigator89 (Jan 14, 2006 2:27 am) |
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First of all, welcome to Edmunds. But there's no need to be rude just to stir the pudding. Second, who in the heck is Mike from Scarborough? If you want to reply to someone, there's a nice little 'reply' option next to each post. It works great and can cut down on the confusion. Third, I'll agree that for the last few years, the Mustang certainly hasn't been in the same ball park (ie. graveyard of failed models). And for several years prior to that, it certainly wasn't in the same low-selling ballpark as the Camaro (more than double Camaro/Firebird sales combined). I'm fairly certain FoMoCo didn't want to be in that particular ball park. But even if you only look at performance, the Mustang has been pretty much in the same ballpark as the Camaro for most of their history which is one reason why the rivalry has been so entertaining for nearly 40 years. And fourth, I think it's just a tad bit early to start comparing the two since all we've seen to this point on the Camaro is a concept. We have no idea if the LS2, 6sp, IRS, etc. will actually make production and, if they do, where the MSRP might be. Which brings me to a question for the forum: can the Camaro compete with the Mustang on roughly equal performance footing (approx. 300hp/5sp manual in a 3500lb package for a base of $25k) OR must the Camaro offer superior performance to sell in large numbers? The reason I ask is because the previous generation F-bodies had superior performance but there was a price to be paid; either in a higher MSRP or perceived reliability/quality issues, insurance cost, etc. Does GM run the risk of deja vu all over again if they go for the big 6.0l guns right out of the box? |
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Back in the muscle car era, you didn't have to be rich to drive a Mustang, Camaro, or a Challenger, even if they had the big engines in them. All 3 of these cars should be priced under $30K or they just aren't going to sell in large enough numbers to make it worthwhile for their companies to build them.
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Replying to: bottgers (Jan 16, 2006 5:23 pm) -------------------------------------------- I agree but I think the base price needs to be under 25k. 30k is still too much for the young guys who would love these cars. Under 25k means a smaller, lighter body and a smaller engine. A sharp looking coupe with 250hp that weighed under 3000lbs could be a lot of fun. The price would be lower, the mileage would be better, the insurance would be lower. Makes a lot more sense to me than a 3800lb car with 400hp that costs 35k. |
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This should satisfy all those wanting the Camaro to be affordable and come with a V6.
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I didn't explain myself very well. Back in the day (1980's) you could buy many cars with all the go-fast goodies without having to buy the car in the top-of-the-line trim level. For example, you could buy a Mustang LX with all the same driveline and suspension equipment as the GT, without having to pay the extra money for all the bells and whistles of the GT. The result was a car that was just as fast (sometimes even faster) and handled just as well as a GT for thousands less $$$. Camaros and Regals could be had the same way. I had both an LX 5.0 and a Turbo Regal (both very fast cars!) This is what they need to do with these modern day muscle cars. They could offer an "RS" (if you will) model of the Camaro with all the performance stuff of a completely optioned out Camaro, but for $7K-$8K less. This would probably put a 400 HP Camaro priced in the low 20's. Tell me you wouldn't have to put your name on a waiting list to get one of those! Same thing with the new Challengers. They wouldn't be able to build them fast enough!
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Replying to: bottgers (Jan 19, 2006 4:22 pm) And you hinted at the REASON you won't see this anytime soon in your own post. Demand. If Ford dealers are able to get MSRP (or perhaps more) on virtually EVERY stinkin' Mustang GT they can lay their hands on, why should Ford even CONSIDER offering a stripped version with JUST the go-fast goodies? Wouldn't it be in their financial best interest (since they sell virtually as fast as the factory can crank them out) to sell higher profit GT models vs. a modern LX version? Same goes for the Camaro: IF (and this is a big if), they can sell every loaded Z28 edition they can possibly build, why reduce their profit by offering a stripped RS model? Why not wait until the demand has cooled, and then offer the stripped models with the big motor to spur sales? In other words, I love the concept of stipped models with all the REAL go-fast goodies, but I wouldn't expect to see such an animal for several years after introduction. |
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