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231 messages, Last post on Oct 18, 2008 at 2:45 PM
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Thank you Kirstie. That's a good idea. The Z-11 Impala, the ZL-1 Camaro, and the LS7 Corvette all have 427s from completely different engine families. A previous poster may have already pointed out a comment from Mr Lutz where he's referring to putting 500 horses in the new car. That's a reference to using the LS7, not something from the mkIV/Gen-5/Gen-6 family. |
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Mar 07, 2006 9:21 am) Challenging? Perhaps. It's been stated a 300hp Camaro would be mediocre. I'd like to know on what basis. Is anyone obligated to respond? Nope. If (and I say if) I stated a 400hp Camaro would be overkill and stupid on GM's part, I'm sure I'd be asked why I felt that way. And I would recognize that some opinions can't simply exist in a vacuum and deserve to be questioned. Personally, I think GM should design a Camaro which can compete with the Mustang on the basis of style, quality, usability, and performance at a competitive price. I'm afraid that IF they concentrate too much on one particular area (performance), they could short change the car in other areas in an effort to meet a price point. For many long-time Camaro fans, this may be a non-issue. Performance and performance ALONE is what counts. I'm afraid that if GM does this, they'll end up with a rerun of the last generation Camaro: a car that killed the Mustang in 0-60, 1/4 mile, and no where else. And when someone makes a flat, bald statement that a 300hp Camaro would be 'mediocre' I get the impression they want GM to keep doing again and again and again what they've always tried to do with the Camaro and somehow expect a different result (sales success). My lineup would look like this: A base model (V6 around 240hp) for $20-25k A base Z28 model (5.3l V8 with around 300hp) for $25-30k An upmarket SS model (LS2 with 400hp) for $32-37k Have convertible versions available for each model with a $3k premium. I don't care what transmission is 'standard' so long as a manual (5sp in V6 editions and 6sp in V8's) is available priced around $1k less than the automatics. |
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Did the Camaro SS ever offer MORE power than the Corvette? I would be surprised if it did. DrFill |
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From what I understand, it's political. Corvette owners feel if they are going to spend that kind of money, it better be at the top of the pecking order. I believe the last time it wasn't was 1970 when the LS-6 SS454 Chevelle was the most powerful car in the stable. Good point though, they would probably have to detune the LS7 or put a different cam in it if they were to offer it as an option on the Camaro. |
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Replying to: rorr (Mar 07, 2006 1:20 pm) A base model (V6 around 240hp) for $20-25k A base Z28 model (5.3l V8 with around 300hp) for $25-30k An upmarket SS model (LS2 with 400hp) for $32-37k Have convertible versions available for each model with a $3k premium. I don't care what transmission is 'standard' so long as a manual (5sp in V6 editions and 6sp in V8's) is available priced around $1k less than the automatics. I agree. If the Camaro gets more power it should not be form the LS7, that needs to be Corvette/Cadillac (like in the STS-V) it should be from improving the engines they have. How about making the 400hp on the corvette get 425 and then Corvette owners will not feel any pain. PS: I hope at least all the V8 engines on the Camaro have the DOD feature. Meybe GM will get balsy and put in VVT from the V6 (they are both OHV) and meybe DI, but thats asking for too much. 
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Replying to: exalteddragon1 (Mar 09, 2006 10:45 am) Doesn't the current 5.3l V8 have DOD? I don't see any reason why it couldn't also be implemented on the LS2 for an SS version. I wasn't aware GM had managed to implement VVT on an OHV design. Interesting. Which OHV V6 do they have with VVT? "DI" = Direct Injection? Probably around the corner. It's becoming more and more popular with some of the smaller engines (I believe Volkswagon uses it in a few models and Mazda is using it in their 2.3l turbo in the Speed6 and upcoming Speed3).
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I actaully learned how to drive on a 88 Chevy Blazer and 87 Camaro Berlinetta, owned by my long-time girlfriend at the time. She also owned a 90 4Runner. Not exactly the highlights of GM's engineering history. As in the Blazer, I could do 30 without getting into a gear, makes learning to drive much easier when you can merge in Park! DrFill
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Replying to: drfill (Mar 09, 2006 11:28 am) Off topic but.... I learned how to drive out in the pasture in my dad's '72 Toyota Hi-lux pickup (in '76? '77?). That way I was sure to not break anything valuable  The first time I was ever even exposed to an automatic was when I was in Driver's Ed. I thought I knew everything I needed to know (well, I was 16 - don't we ALL know everything we need to know by the time we're 16?) when I was confronted with a car with just 2 pedals. The urge to do SOMETHING with my left foot was overpowering. Interesting braking maneuver the first time I nailed the brake when my left foot was looking for the clutch.... 
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Replying to: rorr (Mar 07, 2006 1:20 pm) A base Z28 model (5.3l V8 with around 300hp) for $25-30k An upmarket SS model (LS2 with 400hp) for $32-37k ---------------------------------- Sounds about right to me. And keep the weight under 3500lbs.
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Replying to: rorr (Mar 09, 2006 11:24 am) The 3.5 and 3.9 found on the impala, monte carlo, etc have the VVT technology. I have the 06 impala ltz with the 3.9 and it is a nice motor. |
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